Diary & Notes ~ Air Cell Detatched SHIPPED Chicken Eggs for incubation and hatching

[Sally Sunshine]

Not only were my bantam cochin eggs late, they were all scrambled beyond recognition.

Maybe it was a sign I need LF cochin instead.

oh no!! not good news!! so sorry!! ughhh

 

[Sally Sunshine]

Boiled Eggs: Soft and Hard — Part 1

These are cool reads!

not just about cooking! the cooking is in parts 3 and 4 but even those are cool if you like cooking eggs! WHO DOESNT!

 

[ozexpat]

So here is some of my research...

Please note that these eggs all came to me in Southern California. They were then repacked in size appropriate foam, and placed in three layers USPS Regional Flat Box B. The boxes were padded externally and then shipped in luggage to Asia - 7500 miles

I have 1000s of eggs with data but this is my most recent hatch.I need more data on eggs that are not effected by the overseas flight to be most useful to the research paper

I will be setting up a new thread with a form so that hopefully I can get good help from BYCers. To participate in the final research (apart from the questions I earlier asked to be PMd, I will need a control group local egg hatch of > 50% of the shipped eggs. You will have the option of giving your name or user name. If you supply me with your name I will add you as a co-author. The goal is to get it published in a peer reviewed scientific journal.

ORIGIN SET (S) 7D VIABLE(V) S/V % Hatched (H) H/V % H/S % Damage 0-5
B Blue Partridge Brahma 8 4 50% 0 0% 0% Double Boxed with B Wrap 2
B Buff Orpington 6 6 100% 6 100% 100% Double Boxed with B Wrap 0
B Blue Black Orps 15 13 87% 8 62% 53% Double Boxed with B Wrap 0
SC Salmon Faverolles 6 6 100% 2 33% 33% N/A N/A
SC Mutts 29 22 76% 16 73% 55% N/A N/A
E Black Australorp Egg 24 21 88% 10 48% 42% Tissue egg ctn news paper 0
E Black Jersey Giant 13 10 77% 3 30% 23% Tissue egg ctn news paper 1
E Crème Legbars 17 11 65% 3 27% 18% Bubble wrapped on side 2
E Red Leghorn 6 4 67% 1 25% 17% Bubble wrapped on side 0
E Speckled Sussex 12 6 50% 1 17% 8% Bubble wrapped on side 0
E Speckled Sussex 12 5 42% 0 0% 0% Tissue egg ctn news paper 2
H Barred Plymouth Rock Egg 24 20 83% 6 30% 25% Egg ctn and pine shavings 3
H Black Australorp Egg 24 19 79% 16 84% 67% Egg ctn and pine shavings 0
H Brown Leghorn Egg 24 22 92% 12 55% 50% Egg ctn and pine shavings 0
H Golden Sebright Egg 24 15 63% 3 20% 13% Egg ctn and pine shavings 3
H White Crested Black Polish Egg 24 24 100% 6 25% 25% Egg ctn and pine shavings 3
H White Leghorn Egg 21 8 38% 8 100% 38% Egg ctn and pine shavings 3
H White Plymouth Rock Egg 22 20 91% 14 70% 64% Egg ctn and pine shavings 0
Shipped eggs combined 303 232 77% 115 50% 38%
L Control Local Mixed Breeds 35 33 94% 29 88% 83% N/A N/A

H Hatchery 0 Basically Clean
E E-Bay 1 Scuff Marks
B BYC Friends 2 Indentation
L Locally Laid 3 Cracked or Broken eggs
4 Damaged box and eggs
5 Arrived as stinker and damaged

Hatchability Based On Packing Method
SET (S) 7D VIABLE(V) S/V % Hatched (H) H/V % H/S %
Bubble wrapped on side 35 21 5 24% 14%
Double Boxed with B Wrap 29 23 14 61% 48%
Egg ctn and pine shavings 163 128 65 51% 40%
Tissue egg ctn news paper 49 36 73% 13 36% 27%
N/A 35 28 18 64% 51%

Hatchability Based on Box Damage
Damage SET (S) 7D VIABLE(V) S/V % Hatched (H) H/V % H/S %
0 133 111 83% 68 61% 51%
1 13 10 77% 3 30% 23%
2 37 20 54% 3 15% 8%
3 93 67 72% 23 34% 25%

Hatchability Based on Packing Method and No Shipping Damage
Bubble wrapped on side 18 10 56% 2 20% 11%
Tissue egg ctn news paper 24 21 88% 10 48% 42%
Egg ctn and pine shavings 70 61 87% 42 69% 60%
Double Boxed with B Wrap 21 19 90% 14 74% 67%

 

[scooter16]

You hit it! thank you!!

moving on..... we need a topic to research lol

I am still wondering if the temperature outside has any effect on egg shell as its laid, that can cause it to be less porous and cause such terrible time with humidity this winter.

stumped and still irritated with not finding much on the process, I do know the ph is effected somehow, but I cant put all the info together

Sally, I also have appreciated all advice and data. I of course have another dilemma. Please chime in. I bought a cheap hand held fan(soft rubber fan blades) and taped it in my LG bator w/ turner. OMG, the temp hit 122 degrees just from air circulation????? Question, Do I go with (local eggs) LG still air w/ turner, no fan, but temps vary depending on where egg is, or go with new Brinsea fan/temp controlled, but only able to turn 6am and 6pm most of first ten days????? Which one would be better? LMS

 

[Sally Sunshine]

Quote: it depends on the variance, 122 scares me

Temps are extremely important, but so is turning, 3x is best You need to tell me what variance you have, also with a bigger fan you may dry out eggs faster so humidity may or may not come into play, as I am not sure what you mean completely

 

[scooter16]

it depends on the variance, 122 scares me

Temps are extremely important, but so is turning, 3x is best You need to tell me what variance you have, also with a bigger fan you may dry out eggs faster so humidity may or may not come into play, as I am not sure what you mean completely

OK, so LG still air w/ turner has 98 degrees outer perimeter, near turner motor 102-103, directly under heat module same 102-103 temps, to right and left side 101 range. If I decrease the temp so center temps drop, then perimeter temps too low. My eggs to be set 4/29. Should I divvy up eggs between Brinsea and LG and see what happens? He is charging me $2.00/dozen for fert. eggs. Sorry for all the questions and confusion. Scotter -LMS

 

[jbher]

@Sally Sunshine I'm wondering if you can help me? Or someone?? I candled and weighed my eggs today. Most have lost between 5-6%. Which from what I'm reading is too much for only Day 7. In fact, my English Orp eggs, which had PERFECT air cells have these numbers for weight loss:

-6.3%
-6.2%
-5.0%
-5.6%
-6.2%
-4.2%
-7.1%​

My Faverolles - which had the WORST air cells to start... we're talking BIG and saddle shaped, have lost less:

-5.8%
-4.4%
-5.8%
-5.5%​

Then these are my Marans eggs...

-7.9%
-5.8%
-4.8%
-5.4%
-2.4%

-4.4%​

Ameraucana's:

-5.4%
-6.0%
-5.4%
-5.8%​

Should I add all of these numbers and then divide them to get the average weight loss? Then I'm wondering how much I should bump my humidity... I've been running in the 30's the past few days. Occasionally it has hit in the mid to upper 20's.

The good news is that out of 27 eggs, only 5 appear to be clear. At least that seems like a good ratio for shipped eggs. All of the rest had awesome veining and hyper babies clearly moving! Was so awesome to see!! Actually my Ameraucana eggs have babies that appear bigger than the rest with more distinctive veining... I wonder why that is.

 

[ozexpat]

@Sally Sunshine I'm wondering if you can help me? Or someone?? I candled and weighed my eggs today. Most have lost between 5-6%. Which from what I'm reading is too much for only Day 7. In fact, my English Orp eggs, which had PERFECT air cells have these numbers for weight loss:

-6.3%
-6.2%
-5.0%
-5.6%
-6.2%
-4.2%
-7.1%​

My Faverolles - which had the WORST air cells to start... we're talking BIG and saddle shaped, have lost less:

-5.8%
-4.4%
-5.8%
-5.5%​

Then these are my Marans eggs...

-7.9%
-5.8%
-4.8%
-5.4%
-2.4%

-4.4%​

Ameraucana's:

-5.4%
-6.0%
-5.4%
-5.8%​

Should I add all of these numbers and then divide them to get the average weight loss? Then I'm wondering how much I should bump my humidity... I've been running in the 30's the past few days. Occasionally it has hit in the mid to upper 20's.

The good news is that out of 27 eggs, only 5 appear to be clear. At least that seems like a good ratio for shipped eggs. All of the rest had awesome veining and hyper babies clearly moving! Was so awesome to see!! Actually my Ameraucana eggs have babies that appear bigger than the rest with more distinctive veining... I wonder why that is.

-6.30%
-6.20%
-5.00%
-5.60%
-6.20%
-4.20%
-7.10%
-5.80%
-4.40%
-5.80%
-5.50%
-7.90%
-5.80%
-4.80%
-5.40%
-2.40%
-4.40%
-5.40%
-6.00%
-5.40%
-5.80%
Av -5.50%


I would bump it to 40-45%

 

[jbher]

-6.30%
-6.20%
-5.00%
-5.60%
-6.20%
-4.20%
-7.10%
-5.80%
-4.40%
-5.80%
-5.50%
-7.90%
-5.80%
-4.80%
-5.40%
-2.40%
-4.40%
-5.40%
-6.00%
-5.40%
-5.80%
Av -5.50%
I would bump it to 40-45%

Thank you!!!

 

[Sally Sunshine]

Quote: agree! great job on weighing jbher!