Diary & Notes ~ Air Cell Detatched SHIPPED Chicken Eggs for incubation and hatching

[Sally Sunshine]

Day 5 of my HRIR two rolling air cells @ozexpat this morning I noticed some seepage under them, note upon candle the cracks WERE NOT in existence when set. So again Rolling air cells failed to do anything but cause clean up : ( PLEASE NOTE: eggs came in a shoebox did I mention I HATE shoe boxes? you may use this info and images anywhere you see fit for your tests.

 

[Sally Sunshine]

I have eggies head to CA tomorrow! wish them luck with their travels!! @lizanne

I have bubble wrapped air cell up, and I tried to close each end of the eggs this time, to see of the lack of air slows evaporatio as suggested in some storage trials. I have since double boxed them and bubble and paper on all sides of the inner box!

 

[lizanne]

!! So Excited !! Thanks Sally!!!

 

[lizanne]

Do any of you guys hatch eggs that were collected while worming the hens? I bought eggs from a lady that was selling mixed breed hatching eggs (for super cheap while she was worming). She usually sells eggs for eating, but (she said) her vet told her that she could sell the eggs for hatching during the treatment, with no ill effects on the chicks (eggs). I incubated them, and had 2 (of the 6 I had) hatch. When doing the eggtopsy I found a seriously deformed chick. The chick was alive (in the eggs) the previous day. I'm not really squeamish, but this kinda freaked me out. The chick was missing everything on it's head from the bottom beak up.

 

[Sally Sunshine]

!! So Excited !! Thanks Sally!!!

of course! THANK YOU not me!!!!!!

Do any of you guys hatch eggs that were collected while worming the hens? I bought eggs from a lady that was selling mixed breed hatching eggs (for super cheap while she was worming). She usually sells eggs for eating, but (she said) her vet told her that she could sell the eggs for hatching during the treatment, with no ill effects on the chicks (eggs). I incubated them, and had 2 (of the 6 I had) hatch. When doing the eggtopsy I found a seriously deformed chick. The chick was alive (in the eggs) the previous day. I'm not really squeamish, but this kinda freaked me out. The chick was missing everything on it's head from the bottom beak up.

hmmmmm we had this conversation back a few months, let me see if I can get the area for you to read, oz was as usual very helpful!!

I may have bookmarked too give me some time to search this long thread

 

[Sally Sunshine]

WITH HYGROMYCIN GONE, WHAT ARE TODAY’S WORMING OPTIONS
Review of Parasites & Treatments http://vet.uga.edu/images/uploads/pdrc/0402.pdf

1. Tramisol

(Active ingredient: Levamisole hydrochloride) -
2. Valbazen

Oral Suspension (Active ingredient: Albendazole) -
3. Synanthic

Bovine Dewormer Suspension, (Active ingredient, 22.5%: Oxfendazole) -
4. Safe-guard (Active ingredient: 10% suspension, Fenbendazole) - Effective against capillaria, round, and cecal worms in chickens (not approved in chickens). It is
approved for turkeys as a feed additive
5. Ivermectin (1% injectable for cattle) Since Ivermectin went off-patent, there are several manufacturers producing it. Ivermectin has been
used orally via extra-label scripts to treat Northern Fowl Mite and capillaria infestations. Only mites
that are on the birds are killed. The 1% injectable cattle formulation has been used as follows
(personal communication):

I am never simple

I alternate between Ivermectin topically and Fenedazole. I started a quarterly regimen. I dont stop eating or incubating.

As my birds stop laying in December, this year I will hit them with valbazen the. It is Teratogenic. I can buy that in the philippines by the CC from the agrivet. The other 2 arent effective against tape worm.

I also have the parental injection version of Ivermectin I use on pigs but injecting micro doses in a chicken is a pain in the butt and prefer it if there are less chances to needle stick exposure to my people.

I buy the generic Ivermectin and Safeguard (Febendazole) from Jeffers.

Febendazole - I use the safeguard multi species in their feed.

 

[Sally Sunshine]

Quote:

BTW Birth defects = Teratogenic

Valbazen:

From http://parasitipedia.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2697&Itemid=2960

Albendazole Side Effects, Adverse Drug Reactions (ADRs) and Warnings

• Albendazole can have teratogenic effects, particularly in cattle and sheep and shall not be administered to pregnant animals.

Edited - I guess they dont want you copying their site LOL

Albendazole can have teratogenic effects, particularly in cattle and sheep and shall not be administered to pregnant animals

Quote:

Febendazole

http://www.inchem.org/documents/jecfa/jecmono/v29je04.htm



Fenbendazole was tested for embryotoxicity and teratogenicity
in rats and rabbits dosed by gavage. Embryotoxicity was not seen in
either species, while fetotoxicity in the form of an increased
frequency of occurrence of 13th ribs and delayed ossification of
cranial bones occurred in rabbits given a dose of 63 mg/kg b.w./day.
The NOEL were 2500 mg/kg b.w./day in rats and 25 mg/kg b.w./day in
rabbits.

In dogs, pigs, sheep, and cattle, the oral administration of
fenbendazole at various times during the gestation period did not
result in treatment-related effects in the offspring.

I am never simple

I alternate between Ivermectin topically and Fenedazole. I started a quarterly regimen. I dont stop eating or incubating.

As my birds stop laying in December, this year I will hit them with valbazen the. It is Teratogenic. I can buy that in the philippines by the CC from the agrivet. The other 2 arent effective against tape worm.

I also have the parental injection version of Ivermectin I use on pigs but injecting micro doses in a chicken is a pain in the butt and prefer it if there are less chances to needle stick exposure to my people.

I buy the generic Ivermectin and Safeguard (Febendazole) from Jeffers.

Febendazole - I use the safeguard multi species in their feed.

adding.... what ratio =
Quote:

http://www.marsyt.com/turkey.php
That only has turkeys

 

[lizanne]

Interesting that it can cause a cleft palete in puppies. This chick had the whole top palete missing. I'm really surprised that it lived in the egg as long as it did. I could even see it moving the day before.

 

[Sally Sunshine]

Interesting that it can cause a cleft palete in puppies. This chick had the whole top palete missing. I'm really surprised that it lived in the egg as long as it did. I could even see it moving the day before.

wow!

 

[DaveOmak]

Day 5 of my HRIR two rolling air cells @ozexpat this morning I noticed some seepage under them, note upon candle the cracks WERE NOT in existence when set. So again Rolling air cells failed to do anything but cause clean up : ( PLEASE NOTE: eggs came in a shoebox did I mention I HATE shoe boxes? you may use this info and images anywhere you see fit for your tests.

HRIR ???
What do you think caused the shells to crack, a rolling air cell ???
Pressure build up inside the shell, from plugged porosity due to rolling air cell ??? Seepage would suggest pressure build up.....
Do rolling air cell eggs exhibit less weight loss than a normal egg during incubation ??? Smaller air sacks ???

Without some physical explanation, this makes no sense to me.....