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Discussion of Legbar Standard of Perfection for -Alternative- Legbars - SOP discussion
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I have learned so much at the classroom from very very knowledgeable people and friends
its not the same, the ones in wyandottes are Pg/Pg Ml/Ml Co/Co which istands for Pg(Dominant Pattern Gene) Ml(Dominant Melanotic) and Co(Dominant Columbian Restricted)
Possiblity of working on a laced legbar? yes very possible,
Cream Legbar x Silver Laced Cochin from chicken pickin
Originally Posted by BuffyBugSlayer
Ok, so from what I've been reading on lacing it sounds like lacing is pattern + melonizers so probably missing the pattern genes in the cream legbars. I realize this is a really basic description so if anyone wants to correct me please feel free!
as I said before, Lacing is Pg/Pg Ml/Ml Co/Co, the Legbars you see with incomplete lacing is due to lack of Columbian restrictor, I willing to bet they have Melanotic and Pg, Pg on itself and melanotic will do that on the e+ background, on the eb background you would have the Pencilled pattern found on wyandottes, but since its e+ the effect is different
I think those with Dark creast are showing the effect of Melanotic, the darkest one will surely be homozygous for and het for the less melanized, also Melanotic will have the same effect shown on this Leghorn hen..
I noticed both of your posts and thought you had a two-fer today!I think those with Dark creast are showing the effect of Melanotic, the darkest one will surely be homozygous for and het for the less melanized, also Melanotic will have the same effect shown on this Leghorn hen..
if you mean two thumbs up for today, I dont see them..
Actually I meant more like "two for one", as the concepts covered applied to two threads.
And thank you for making that correlation.
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Okay - we have covered a lot of ground....
just to sharpen the focus a bit... We are looking at the differences between the Cream Legbar - and other Legbars that could comprise a different variety. In a way - to focus on the existing Legbars and not launch new projects --
The artist concepts of Crele Leghorns may be a way to depict one of the other and probably most predominant Legbars walking the USA right now - some have called them GOLD. They aren't really GOLD IMO -- I have yet to see one that has the true gold (brown) wing triangle shown in this artist concept. Most of the females also don't have the very burnt orange wing and back feathers - but rather are taupe. Of course you know Leghorns are not Legbars...but they are in the make up - and they are what direction in type Punnett seemed to be selecting toward for his Gold Legbars. I would suspect that the Gold Legbars would like nearly identical to the Gold Creles - since they are crestless. - They will also lay white or cream eggs.....
The wing triangle (the secondaries - right experts?) - is the tell for the male - and the gray back color is the tell for the female.
If the Female Cream Legbar looks like a Silver Crele:
and we have an idealized Cream Legbar rendering from CL Club outgoing President Curtis Hale
These are excellent examples....
The question for discussion in this thread is do we need another variety Crele for example to cover a LOT of Legbars for people who don't particularly want their roosters to look purley Silver - It can't be the Golds - those are already taken - so the ones that don't look silver and aren't golds - would be considered in the Crele.
Here we are collecting the differences between the two appearances to investigate the feasability of the Crele Variety. :O)
A variety to incorporate those Legbars that have the appearance of - for the sake of discussion, let's say 33% to 50% APPEARANCE of gold -- That are autosexing, lay blue eggs, are Crested--- and have Legbar parents.
They aren't gold -- they don't appear as light as the ones on the bottom row of the grid...obviously. There was a big push to eliminate this type of Legbar -- but it could be that the pendulum has begun to swing back toward a bit warmer coloration.
Here is a photo of a winning Cockerel at UK Poultry show:
Has the more definite - recognizable CL appearance - darker breast - even some white in the tail feathers - some chestnut on the shoulder..etc. a nice bird... white wing triangle - but a departure from some of the very irregular barring that was showing up in the Jill Rees line of CLs that is available here in the USA. And of course you can't tell from one bird, one photo, one anything - and of course coloration is only part of the story--- but at present this is the winning chicken across the pond. He has a nice straight non-floppy comb, smallish hackles and white earlobes, yellow legs and beak - and that recognizable CL look.
edit - LOL I think the above "smallish hackles" was actually meant to say "smallish wattles" -- edited Dec 5
just to sharpen the focus a bit... We are looking at the differences between the Cream Legbar - and other Legbars that could comprise a different variety. In a way - to focus on the existing Legbars and not launch new projects --
The artist concepts of Crele Leghorns may be a way to depict one of the other and probably most predominant Legbars walking the USA right now - some have called them GOLD. They aren't really GOLD IMO -- I have yet to see one that has the true gold (brown) wing triangle shown in this artist concept. Most of the females also don't have the very burnt orange wing and back feathers - but rather are taupe. Of course you know Leghorns are not Legbars...but they are in the make up - and they are what direction in type Punnett seemed to be selecting toward for his Gold Legbars. I would suspect that the Gold Legbars would like nearly identical to the Gold Creles - since they are crestless. - They will also lay white or cream eggs.....
The wing triangle (the secondaries - right experts?) - is the tell for the male - and the gray back color is the tell for the female.
If the Female Cream Legbar looks like a Silver Crele:
and we have an idealized Cream Legbar rendering from CL Club outgoing President Curtis Hale
These are excellent examples....
The question for discussion in this thread is do we need another variety Crele for example to cover a LOT of Legbars for people who don't particularly want their roosters to look purley Silver - It can't be the Golds - those are already taken - so the ones that don't look silver and aren't golds - would be considered in the Crele.
Here we are collecting the differences between the two appearances to investigate the feasability of the Crele Variety. :O)
A variety to incorporate those Legbars that have the appearance of - for the sake of discussion, let's say 33% to 50% APPEARANCE of gold -- That are autosexing, lay blue eggs, are Crested--- and have Legbar parents.
They aren't gold -- they don't appear as light as the ones on the bottom row of the grid...obviously. There was a big push to eliminate this type of Legbar -- but it could be that the pendulum has begun to swing back toward a bit warmer coloration.
Here is a photo of a winning Cockerel at UK Poultry show:
Has the more definite - recognizable CL appearance - darker breast - even some white in the tail feathers - some chestnut on the shoulder..etc. a nice bird... white wing triangle - but a departure from some of the very irregular barring that was showing up in the Jill Rees line of CLs that is available here in the USA. And of course you can't tell from one bird, one photo, one anything - and of course coloration is only part of the story--- but at present this is the winning chicken across the pond. He has a nice straight non-floppy comb, smallish hackles and white earlobes, yellow legs and beak - and that recognizable CL look.
edit - LOL I think the above "smallish hackles" was actually meant to say "smallish wattles" -- edited Dec 5
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Out of your chart of percentages, the two middle rows look too light to me. Out of all of them, the 50% male and 50% and 100% females are what I would consider 'crele'.
For the sake of doing a written color standard, why doesn't someone just use the cream standard and swap out some color words?
For the sake of doing a written color standard, why doesn't someone just use the cream standard and swap out some color words?
The whites have the easiest color standard of all. Type wise, all legbars should be the same. The whites would just be
Comb, face, wattles: bright red
Earlobes: white
Legs, shanks, toes: yellow
Color of all plumage sections: pure white
Comb, face, wattles: bright red
Earlobes: white
Legs, shanks, toes: yellow
Color of all plumage sections: pure white
After saying that all legbars should have the same type, I figured I should clarify because I have a feeling someone will mention it. All legbars in the US should match up with the standard for the 'cream legbars' in type. Sure, Greenfire may have/may be importing gold legbars but I really don't think they will take off anything like the legbars we all have.
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