do you think aliens are real?

[Royd]

I have WHAT in my yard? :

In the grand sweep of universal time I think it highly likely that life has evolved elsewhere somewhere and some when else. Its is just not likely at all that it would exist at the same time as we do. And really, intelligent? Just how intelligent do we presume ourselves to be?? What are the odds that other "intelligent" life forms have destroyed themselves as we have come so close to doing so often?

Are you saying that in the world of interplanetary intelligence, Earth is the short bus?​

 

[OldGuy43]

I present to you a rock. The rock is alive. It just lives so long and slowly that we can't see it living, and therefore believe it to be an inanimate object. It has been trying to communicate with us for millions of years, but we lack the intelligence to discern its message.

 

[Royd]

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I owned the original pet rock...It followed me everywhere, until, one day, I accidentally dropped it in the outhouse. It lay there, 10' below me, on the edge of the creek, in that pile of poop, looking so sad.

 

[OldGuy43]

 

[chickened]

May take you a while to read this
http://jasmine71.wordpress.com/2009/03/23/debunking-evolution-in-laymans-terms/
This is why I do not do posting battles.

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Again

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http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pbio.1000564
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19020620
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17676977
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19430604
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16467828 (I don't think you can open this one without a subscription):
In this context, two points should be noted. First, the length of the internal branch leading to the mammoth and Asian elephant mtDNA is only 7.3% of that leading to the African elephant (Fig. 3b). Paleontological data21 suggest a divergence of Asian and African elephants and mammoths about six million years ago in Africa. This date implies that the divergence between the mammoth and Asian elephant took place only 440,000 years after the divergence of the African elephant. Second, this time is short enough that polymorphisms in the ancestral species may have persisted between the two speciation events22, as has been observed for humans, chimpanzees and gorillas23. As the probability of such

 

[MamaRoo]

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Humorous, but not really informative. Sadly she doesn't really understand evolution or biology and tries to make huge assumptions from tiny details.

Instead of just reading someone else's rambling rant why don't you take some time to do your own research and draw your own conclusions?

 

[chickened]

This is why I don't like posting stuff there is always contradicting evidence both ways and when someone reads something they disagree with they turn to ridicule to explain it away. She copied it from another site http://www.newgeology.us/presentation32.html that would not copy to here. I suppose these guys know nothing either?
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Humorous, but not really informative. Sadly she doesn't really understand evolution or biology and tries to make huge assumptions from tiny details.

Instead of just reading someone else's rambling rant why don't you take some time to do your own research and draw your own conclusions?

 

[MamaRoo]

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Humorous, but not really informative. Sadly she doesn't really understand evolution or biology and tries to make huge assumptions from tiny details.

Instead of just reading someone else's rambling rant why don't you take some time to do your own research and draw your own conclusions?


This one links the quotes. I'll look at the original papers tomorrow when I can get them from the library. But it's still a misrepresentation of the truth. Yes, bacteria remain bacteria, but their resistance to man made antibiotics is evolution. Check out the fruit fly databases about Hawaii - they have the most diverse groups of species due to separation by vegetation and microclimates. That's evolution in a much more recent time frame.

On rare occasions a mutation in DNA improves a creature’s ability to survive, so it is more likely to reproduce (natural selection).

True. There a re multiple polymorphisms in the genes involved in immunity that give an advantage to certain people/populations. They don't create a whole new system, they tweak the existing one.

Thus all the right mutations (and none of the destructive ones) must happen at the same time by pure chance.

No, not at all. Pieces are changed, not the whole.

There's a bunch about evolution and leaps, but the person didn't reference, so I don't know, and can't verify the source. Could be total fabrication for all I know.

Here's one of the papers cited. Your article says it tells how he was unable to reconstruct a tree based on genes from 6 animals. Read the paper, it says:

If we remove Ciona from the two trees, we
can see that the topology of the two eight taxa trees is the same (though it should
be noted that internal branches close to the sea urchin/Amphioxus separation has
low bootstrap support). Therefore the simplest explanation for these results is that
the ancestor that gave rise to Ciona was a hybrid between an early protostome (i.e.
related to an ancestor in the Drosophila-C.elegans clade) and a vertebrate ancestor
(excluding Amphioxus).

-- a different structure, not an incorrect one.

As I said before, do your own research.​

 

[Royd]

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Humorous, but not really informative. Sadly she doesn't really understand evolution or biology and tries to make huge assumptions from tiny details.

Instead of just reading someone else's rambling rant why don't you take some time to do your own research and draw your own conclusions?

That's all evolutionary science is; making huge assumptions from small details. Some archeologist finds a small petrified bone, with no supporting skeleton, and the next thing you know, we've got the Creature from the Black Lagoon.
Anything past the written history of man is nothing but an assumption as to what actual occurred and when. Take a look at the Florrisant Fossil Beds. It's pretty hard to explain a fully intact fossil bed at 8,500' in the heart of the Rocky mountains, with petrified Redwood stumps 14' in diameter.
Obviously, it happened in place, becaused there's no sign of uphevel. We can only take a wild guess that at one time, before man walked the earth, there was a bad case of global warming, because you can't grow trees like that with a 3 month warm season.

I've been to the site, read all the big words and drew my own conclusion.

Come to think of it, most of the stumps look like something a logger would leave behind, and I don't think that there were any dinosaurs with built in chainsaw tails.....Maybe it was an alien Paul Bunyon.

 

[chickened]

Do not take this wrong but I am really not that interested in science as I was in my youth. I do not dispute science when it is proven 100% but when it is speculation replacing fact I then have a problem. I can guess based on my own experiments and research. There is a road that a lot of scientists have wandered down that leads to nothing in the quest for funding. This has really hurt the credibility of true scientists. Think of what journalism has come to and the unreliability of reporting stories that you were not an eyewitness to they get the facts mixed up way to often and then they get cut and edited to achieve a pre determined result.

Back to the alien thing, I think there is money to be made with alien sitings so naturally there need be sightings to further the study of such by those that have figured out a way to profit from it.

Germany had great scientist and they made huge advances but the best ones defected when they were forced to do work without reward. The ones that stayed willingly in Germany were the ones that believed in what they were doing and supported it. The same is happening today only they stay for a paycheck and in order to get it they must furnish results. Not all though but a good percentage do. Be curious to see how many would volunteer.
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This one links the quotes. I'll look at the original papers tomorrow when I can get them from the library. But it's still a misrepresentation of the truth. Yes, bacteria remain bacteria, but their resistance to man made antibiotics is evolution. Check out the fruit fly databases about Hawaii - they have the most diverse groups of species due to separation by vegetation and microclimates. That's evolution in a much more recent time frame.

On rare occasions a mutation in DNA improves a creature’s ability to survive, so it is more likely to reproduce (natural selection).

True. There a re multiple polymorphisms in the genes involved in immunity that give an advantage to certain people/populations. They don't create a whole new system, they tweak the existing one.

Thus all the right mutations (and none of the destructive ones) must happen at the same time by pure chance.

No, not at all. Pieces are changed, not the whole.

There's a bunch about evolution and leaps, but the person didn't reference, so I don't know, and can't verify the source. Could be total fabrication for all I know.

Here's one of the papers cited. Your article says it tells how he was unable to reconstruct a tree based on genes from 6 animals. Read the paper, it says:

If we remove Ciona from the two trees, we
can see that the topology of the two eight taxa trees is the same (though it should
be noted that internal branches close to the sea urchin/Amphioxus separation has
low bootstrap support). Therefore the simplest explanation for these results is that
the ancestor that gave rise to Ciona was a hybrid between an early protostome (i.e.
related to an ancestor in the Drosophila-C.elegans clade) and a vertebrate ancestor
(excluding Amphioxus).

-- a different structure, not an incorrect one.

As I said before, do your own research.​