dog attack

[MountainMamaHST]

Thanks everyone. We are working hard to save her. The vet said to try antibiotic cream or spray and keep watching her vent to be sure it doesn't protrude or prolapse. So far just turned from swelling.

Where so I find the tar??

 

[farmboy22]

Concerning the chicken with the leaking puncture in its abdomen, time is the onlt cure. Clean what you can off and let nature heal its own.

 

[ailron]

I'm not sure if this will help, but we recently had a 10 week old rooster who became seriously injured by another rooster. He had a large puncture wound near his vent and a couple of smaller ones too. He was bleeding very badly and I didn't think he would make it through the night. All I had on hand was some antiseptic spray that I had bought for my dogs and some blood stop powder. We used this very generously and put Sulmet in his drinking water. This was about two weeks ago and he is doing well now. He still moves a little slow and I'm sure it will take a while for him to heal internally. He eats and drinks and seems very happy though. Hope this helps and best of luck!

 

[chooks4life]

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I get it at feedbarns and produce stores. You could probably get it online, and saddleries and horse-related shops ought to have some. It's commonly used with horses due to its excellent healing, soothing and anti-scarring properties, or at least it used to be before antibiotics and prescriptions became the 'in' thing and tar became such a dirty word due to tobacco related deaths. (Obviously the animal won't be smoking the pine tar, lol). Best of wishes for your flock. Dog attacks are something no flock owner wants to experience, it's just terrible.

 

[beeconeofhope]

Garlic is a very powerful antibiotic that doesn't harm good bacteria. Even with humans it can knock some stuff, like viruses, that won't get killed by the most potent antibiotics. I'm not sure but some chooks are supposed to be sensitive to it. I've never had that problem with my chooks but won't pooh-pooh it because it's a complicated world. But I use it as a rule, as much as the chooks want.

Pine tar, aka Stockholm tar, does amazing things to wounds, in the most messed up usually-fatal injuries, and kills pain almost instantly, and works rapidly. I've used it for pretty much everything without a single failure, no matter what caused the wound or how far the infection had gone. On a more gory note, I'm not squeamish, so I've stuck my pine-tarred fingers deep into wounds to make sure the tar got there. The animal actually found this a good thing since it killed the pain that was deeper in. Gross, I know, but he had gangrene. Pine tar killed the gangrene in one application but I gave him another the net day or so to make sure. I'm not sure about using anything caustic or acidic in wounds, I think you'd burn out the good healing cells as well as the infection, and the infection would recover quicker than the good cells. Everyone should have stockholm/pine tar in my opinion, for themselves as well as their animals, I've never seen anything heal so quickly and leave less of a scar.

how do you harvest pine tar ?, I live in texas and have heard of it being great for all kinda every thing but dont know what pines or all and if the texas pine tar counts we seem to mostly have Loblolly Pine

 

[chooks4life]

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As far as I know, it can be made either by boiling/burning basically any part of a pine tree. If boiling, it takes a very long time. I don't know if the type of pines you've got would work, but testing may be useful.

For best results, it requires the right species and the sappiest parts, from what I've read.

It would really help if there was a chemical breakdown/analysis published publicly of the differences between various species. These differences can be huge even within a species. For example, between two juniper trees, a male and a female, over a thousand different chemicals were found in differing levels of branches, at different times of the day. It varied by the hour, and the male and female had different compositions to each other at all times. There are thousands of species of juniper trees, I've also read. Age and environment have a massive impact too on the chemical composition of the plant.

There's a good reason herbalists (many of them condemned as witches back in the old days) were associated with lore of harvesting mistletoe at midnight --- it's been recently proven to be most beneficial medicinally at that time in some species, namely the species from the country the folklore originated from. (Europe. I don't know what times are more relevant to Australian Mistletoes). Before, this sort of info was condemned as "old wives' tales" and so a lot of important information has been lost, and we have to rediscover it the hard way (trial and error).

Here's a little info I found online last time I checked:

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There seems to be a variety of processes, additives etc people use, but I've avoided diluted or adulterated Pine Tar and just bought "Pure Stockholm Tar" which I've been told is obtained by boiling the roots of a certain species of pine tree until all that's left is tar. That was one source of info, apparently contradicted by others. Another source said they obtained theirs by boiling boughs, leaves, etc as well as the wood.

I can't vouch for which process produced the tar I use, since I buy it in otherwise unmarked containers. Since I don't know that much about it myself, other than how amazing it's been in practice, I'll resort to what I've found online. Everyone seems to be quoting each other about it; a lot of "old-timer's" info has been lost.

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Pine tar consists primarily of aromatic hydrocarbons, tar acids and tar bases. Components of tar vary according to the pyrolytic process (e.g. method, duration, temperature) and origin of the wood (e.g. age of pine trees, type of soil and moisture conditions during tree growth).

Pine tar has a long history as a wood preservative, as a wood sealant for maritime use, in roofing construction and maintenance, in soaps such as Packer’s Pine Tar Soap and in the treatment of carbuncles and skin diseases, such as psoriasis, eczema, and rosacea.

It was used as a preservative on the bottoms of wooden, Nordic style skis until modern synthetic materials replaced wood in the construction of such skis. The pine tar also helped the adhesion of waxes which aided the grip and glide of such skis.
Pine tar is widely used as a veterinary care product. It is a traditional antiseptic and hoof care product for horses and cattle. Pine tar has been used when chickens start pecking the low hen. Applying a smear of pine tar on the wound gives the attacking hens something else to do. They are distracted by the effort of trying to get the sticky pine tar off their beaks.
Pine tar has also been used to make medicinal soap for people with skin ailments. Pine Tar is now mainly used as a softening solvent in the rubber industry, and for construction material and special paints.
The production of tar in Scandinavia dates back to at least the 1400s, and it is probably even older. Tar is produced by burning pine in specially designed kilns which maintain a steady low temperature. As the pine burns down, the dense pitch runs out, and it is collected in a chamber located underneath the kiln. This process is known as “destructive distillation,” because it requires complete destruction of the wood to extract the valuable sap inside.

Hope this helps. Best wishes.