Dog hit by car - venting - LONG

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I'm so sorry the dog was hurt. I agree with Sarah Beth. I would have chosen euthanasia too. It's not a matter of cost, but just that I would feel painlessly ending the dog's life was better than having her suffer at this age. It's just a judgment call. It doesn't mean the ex hates the dog. She just thinks differently than you do. You feel "giving her a chance" is the most important thing. The ex feels ' keep her from suffering" is more important. It's a judgment call.

It is too bad that nobody was concerned enough about the dog to put her back in the house. The accident was tragic.
 
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Yep, I understand the point about whether or not it's fair to the dog to try and save her... and the dog's best interest has been our concern right from the start. However, this is a dog that is otherwise healthy and active in spite of her age. And if we hadn't given the go-ahead to try and save her, they would not have done any of the diagnostics (xrays, etc.) that allowed them to determine the extent of her injuries. And until that was done, we couldn't know whether it was foolish to try... a Catch 22, and we had only about 30 seconds to make that initial decision.

We opted to "give her a chance" because we were told that if the brain swelling came down and the seizures stopped, her chances would improve. It was at the moment she came in the door, based on her visible symptoms, that led to the "40% chance to survive" statement. We opted to try the valium to stop the seizures and the meds to reduce her brain swelling. If either had not worked, we would have put her down at that point. Since both did work, at least to the point where she could be comfortable, we chose to continue letting her try to recover.

The ex's question about whether it was fair was irritating because she knows that neither of us would keep a suffering animal alive just for our own purposes. We simply felt that Puppy deserved a chance. We fully realize that it has been a slim chance from the beginning, and we were clear with the vet that if she could not be kept comfortable, then we would put her down.

She has been off pain meds since Sunday mid morning ( they wanted to assses whether she was making any progress toward recovery and couldn't do that if she was "doped up" too much.) She wagged her tail at us when went to see her Sunday pm. Monday, she raised her head when the DH and the ex visited her. Today, she is rolling herself up onto her chest and turning herself around in her cage. Not standing or making any effort to stand, just working herself into the position she likes. She will swallow water from a syringe and tries to lap a little in the course of this. She sleeps a lot, and regardless of whether she is awake or asleep, she is very relaxed, has deep, regular breathing, and seems very comfortable. She does react to being moved by one of us and shows reasonable strength in her legs. All of which is good news. However, she has shown no interest in eating at all, which is not good. We are concerned about permanent brain damage,(she may have "forgotten" how to eat, as many human dementia patients do ) and we have no intention of letting her starve to death.

Her regular vet says that she would have expected to see more improvement and is not very optimistic about Puppy's recovery at this point. She says that if PUppy regains an interest in food tomorrow, then we could give her more time. If not, she recommends putting her down. We are all in agreement with this. The vet is very clear that she does not feel that Puppy is in pain - she is relaxed and comfortable and all her vital signs are good and strong.

I will go to the vet's tomorrow with good smelly treats and things, and see if I can entice her to start eating. If she shows interest and ability to eat on her own, we will give her more time. If not, she will be put down tomorrow night.

I am sure many people would have put her down right at the emergency clinic. Had it been my call alone, I might have done so, too. But I don't regret that my DH opted to give her a chance. If she had shown discomfort, if any of the vets attending her had said that they believed her to be in pain, we would have put her down at that time. The concensus was that once they got the swelling down, her pain would have been limited to the bruising on her face. Her face is not swollen, and she shows no discomfort at being touched or patted. As I understand it, the brain its self does not have nerves in it - there are nerves around it, which is why it hurt when it was swollen. I know from years working in nursing homes that people with brain tumors don't have pain until the tumors grow so large that there is pressure against the skull, so I assume that's why Puppy doesn't seem to be in pain, now that the swelling and pressure is gone.

But that's neither here nor there - the bottom line is that if she won't or can't eat, she can't live. We trust the vet's judgement, and she says she's comfortable with giving Puppy one more day, but if she is not eating after that, she feels that the chance of any significant recovery is so small that it would be better to let Puppy go.

I thank all of you for your thoughts, opinions, and good wishes. Discussion of this sort of dilemma is always good. It's hard to make a snap decision when there's no time to think carefully and no real "right" answer. Perhaps this thread will make someone else think about what they would do in a similar situation so that if it does come up (God forbid), they will have an easier time deciding what to do.

I will let you all know what happens tomorrow. I'm guessing it won't be good, but the emergency vet didn't expect her to make it this far, so who knows....


Well, I spent an hour at the vet's Wednesday morning trying all kinds of food to get Puppy to eat. She simply wouldn't. I offered her baby food, yogurt, cat food, tuna fish juice, concentrated chicken broth. I tried oatmeal, scrambled egg, and peanut butter. None of it interested her. I liquefied the stuff that could be liquefied and syringe-fed her as the vets have been doing. She had lapped some water a few days ago, but since then she hasn't taken anything unless squirted from a syringe. She got tired and wouldn't even swallow after a while, so I gave her a break and tried again twenty minutes later. No interest. I went back after lunch and had no more luck at all. We'd be happy to syringe feed her five or six times a day, if she would just swallow the food, but she just lets most of it run out of her mouth. By Wednesday, she hadn't eaten in almost four days...

So, sadly, Puppy was put down Wednesday evening. She is buried in our orchard, near several of our other Newfs. My DH's ex was with her when she passed (the first time she's ever attended any of her dogs' passing). She brought Puppy to our house and helped bury her. I am still in the dark about why she did not rush the dog to the vet herself when the accident happend, but I'm guessing that she didn't know where the emergency clinic is...but why she called us to come drive instead of just asking for directions is a mystery. I guess just not thinking clearly in an emergency.

anyway - I am going to follow the example of a friend of mine : she has Google-map directions to her vet and to the emergency clinic, annotated with her own notes about landmarks, printed out and placed in a transparent sheet protector and fastened to her refrigerator. The phone numbers of both places are on the directions, and she also has posted a list of other contact people. anyone who comes in to care for dogs when they are away now has immediate access to this info. In case of an emergency, they can grab the directions, jump in the car and go.

Thank you all for your support and input and suggestions. Please, everyone, review your pet management strategies and plug any holes so this never happens to any of your animals. I know we are double checking all our safety procedures. I'm ordering new leashes today as a couple of ours are a tiny bit worn...taking no chances at all, any more! Thank you all again for your posts.
 
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I think either decision you could have made - immediate euthanization or the treatment you opted for - would have been reasonable in this case. I just can't believe that no one at that house would take her to the vet when it happened.
 
I just want you to know that, if it had been my little Leo, we would have attempted to save him too. I wouldn't consider it needless suffering if the vet was able to control the pain while he healed. My Leo has adult onset hydrocephalus that causes seizures. He takes steroids to reduce swelling in the brain. It has worked well, and there hasn't been a seizure in almost a year. Leo is also a cancer survivor. You may want to be aware that seizures and brain injuries often temporarily cause confusion and can alter the senses. Any or all of the senses can be distorted. Leo used to have his vision distorted so even friends looked like scarey monsters. He's little and we don't have little kids so there was no danger. Your dog may not be eating because food might not smell or taste like food. Don't be afraid to give her a little more time if she seems to not want food. It could be that her senses are still out of whack. I know from taking Leo to different vets that not all doctors know a lot about neurology. Even a great vet can't know everything. We learned alot when we finally found a doggie neurologist to treat Leo. Hang in there.

You never know when these things can happen to your dog. I bought a cheap insurance policy for Leo before he ever got sick. I would recommend it to anyone. Making the life and death decisions in the vet's office is much easier and a lot less heart breaking when the cost of treatment isn't an issue. Trust me on that. The insurance has paid thousands to save Leo. Because of it, he is still the light of my life and a fat, happy lump that sleeps all day, rather than a financial burden or just a memory. I know that the OP is not complaining about the cost and can probably afford the expense. I just brought this up as an idea for people in general.
 
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I shared custody of my Italian Greyhound with my ex, but my ex was responsible.

I would keep the dog at this point not just because of the money you spent to save her, but it might really "save" her is the ex is that irresponsible.
 
What a drama for you!

Some people might have treated her and some might have decided to go with euthanasia. Legally, it wasn't your responsibility, but your two households have shared some of the responsibility for this dog, as you have shared the responsibility of a child during these years. So, I can kind of understand her calling your house. Me, I would have gotten the dog to the vet right away, but that doesn't seem to be the way vet care is handled in that household.

Honestly, I would have had a hard time staying out of it and leaving that dog to die on someone's porch. Had they actually been willing to take the dog into the vet, fine, they could have made any choice they wanted to at the vet's office. Sometimes, life and relationships are just messier than they should be.

At this point, I wouldn't be in too big of a rush to euthanize her. I'd give her more time to recover further. I think she has the potential to improve a great deal, with good supportive care. Sometimes, it just takes a little longer. A few days after something like this is not much time. I would think a week or so, minimum, just for the initial trauma and swelling in the brain.

Maybe brain injuries from trauma aren't supposed to hurt that much, but mine hurt like bleep. I didn't want to eat, either. I don't remember much of the first week, except waking up in agony, when the pain meds wore off and my husband begging me to eat a couple of times. So, the poor dear has my total sympathy. It took more than a few days for me to recover. I had no short term memory for quite a few weeks, but at least I was conscious after the first week went by. The condition the patient is in after a couple days can be radically different than the condition they are in a week later or a month later or a year later.

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For all of you. When you visit her the next time, give her a big kiss on her huge hairy head and tell her it's from all the dog lovers on BYC that are wishing her well. Although, maybe it should be one of those fake Hollywood kisses, until her head feels better.
 
I'm sorry:(
That is almost exactly what happened to my beagle, Rose. She had seizures, and bleeding from her ears and nose. We took her to the emergency vet and the rushed her back. When my mom went to pick her up the next day she said she licked her face off!!!!
 
I am sorry to tell you all that Puppy was euthanized Wednesday evening.

She would not or could not eat. We syringe-fed her for four days and she would swallow only what she had to, let the rest run out of her mouth. We couldn't get enough into her to keep her from starving. Fluids were not a problem because she was on a drip. She had to be propped onto her chest, but she wanted to lie on her side and would squirm and wiggle and writhe until she got there. Then her breathing would become a bit labored, and the vet worried about pneumonia. Compounded by the fact that she would only lie on one side (from the time she was tiny, she always lay on that side). She wouldn't get up but she'd wiggle around and push at the sides of her crate or the wall until she could roll over onto her preferred side. She showed great determination and Jim and I were hopeful that she would continue to improve. But she was losing weight and moving less by Wednesday. I spent a couple of hours at the vet's on Wednesday morning, trying to get her to eat. I took her scrambled egg, tuna, soup, yogurt, peanut butter, canned cat food, oatmeal, meat scraps and baby food. None of it interested her in the least. I syringe-fed her as much as I could get her to take, but she got tired and fell asleep. She'd only eaten about three ounces - not enough for a 90 lb dog. The vet had been trying, too, for three days and the emergency clinic did, as well.

I feel we did all we could, and Jim has used this vet for 25 years. she has cared for Puppy medically since she was born. We trust her judgement, and she felt that Puppy had too much brain damage to recover enough for a good quality of life. By Wednesday, Puppy had stopped wagging her tail for her family - she clearly was feeling worse. So we made that hard decision. The ex was with her when she passed (a first for her - maybe there's hope yet!). Puppy is buried at our house (at the ex's request), in the orchard near the fuzzy family members who have gone before her.

Thank you for all your sympathy and support, and I am glad if this has gotten someone else to think about what they want for their animals should an emergency situation arise. Quicker action might have saved Puppy - if the ex had taken her immediately to the emergency clinic, she would have gotten there before she started seizuring. Might perhaps have made a difference.

Anyway, thank you all again for your concern, and I appreciate all the opinions, including those which differed from the course we took with Puppy. She's at peace now, in any event.

RIP, Puppy, you were a very good girl.
 

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