Dog Shot For Killing chickens Article

[ellieroo]

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IMHO it's because pro chicken people (any livestock/animal owner for that matter) are generally very responsible people and it ticks them off when other animal owners can't step up to the responsibity and they blame others, as others have said, this is an age old problem.

It really bugs me when people think of their dogs as something they are not. Bottom line is that your dog is your responsibility and yours alone, at no point what so ever should I have to interrupt my life in any way because of someone elses dog. In other words, I should not have to watch where I walk in my own yard because your dog poops in my yard. I should not be inconvenienced by having my flock killed because your dog came into my yard. I should not be inconvenienced because your dog got loose and ran in front of my car. I have seen people sue others because their dog got loose and someone hit the dog with their car and the dog owners felt that the driver should cover vet costs. REALLY? The dog owner should pay me for my time and damage not the other way around.

I have 2 dogs. A pure bred border collie and a black lab mix. I love my dogs more than I love my wife and she will tell you that. My border collie is a very smart dog and I have spent thousand of dollars training him BUT he is the most unstable dog I have ever met. He has bitten my wife and I more times than I can count and the bites required doctors, they were not nips. The dog trainers and vets have all told me to put the dog down, I refused. Now because of this issue I as the owner accept his limitations and I have to take steps to make sure that he does not ever bite anyone but me, why? Because he is my responsibility. Because of this issue with him I have to take extra steps to make sure he stays in my yard and that other dogs stay away as he will rip them apart too. So I have multiple levels of making sure he is secure in my yard at all times because my yard is not fenced. He always has a 15 foot leash on him, he has a remote shock collar, he has a 150 foot wire run and an electric fence. So if he gets by one level he may not get by 2 levels. The point to my rant is this, if your dog is an escape artist or does not listen to commands than it is your reponsibilty as the owner to address these issue and either fix them or take steps to prevent them. Also, my border collie is now 7 and has not bitten anyone in 3 years, not for lack of trying but because of the steps I have taken.

Don't get me wrong, I feel for both people here. It would kill me to kill a dog it really would but the other option is my flock who were on their own property minding their own business, why should they die for that?

Please tell me that the above comment about wife, love, and dog bitting wife is a joke !! If not Wow .........thats called domestic violence !

 

[dainerra]

LOL ask my husband who I love more - him or the dogs.
We were doing hypothetical ?s one day and I said that someone on another group had posted that her BF told her "me or the dog" I asked if he would ever ask me that. His response? "I don't ask questions I already know the answer to."
As long as he is taking charge to be sure that the dog doesn't bite his wife any more, then I don't see a problem with it.

 

[Pele]

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Holy Mackerel, I can't imagine keeping a dog that is actively violent. I wonder about that dog's quality of life too, having to be kept locked up so well. Violent domesticated animals as a whole should not be tolerated. But this is coming from someone who was attacked by a dog as a child. Keeping something that actively wants to harm or kill you is seriously creepy to me.

I was saddened by the responses in the article the came from the pro-dog individuals. Instead of saying that the owners were negligent, they went on and on about how dogs are inherantly worth more than other animals. Making value judgements on which animal's life is more important than the other is close to trying to play god. I really really dislike dogs, but I wouldn't actively cheer on their destruction just because they were dogs.

Additionally, if I had a dollar for every single dog owner that swore 'this was the first and only time' the dog got out, I'd be a super-billionare. The owners of the dog that tried to kill me when i was a child said the same exact thing, even though the dog was well known for roaming the neighborhood and killing cats, small animals, and other dogs. I don't buy that this dog so expertly slipped outside on it's first try.

The article was clearly biased in an attempt to raise interest and outcry. That's why they called an animal that weighed over 100 lbs a 'puppy'. T

hank god the farmer had the law on his side, and that in America we have the freedom to defend our property, even if other people don't care about it.

 

[mons02035]

I'm not quite sure how my dog biting my wife is domestic violence so I will leave that one alone. It is true that my border collie does not have a ton of freedom. I am pretty much the only one that takes care of him and we do go outside and play frisbee and ball and stuff. I have had him in agility, playgroups and day care and ALL of them asked us to not come back. It is not a lack of trying to keep him social. I understand the comments that what kind of a life is he living... I get it, but in my mind he is living the life that he wants. I have tried everything for him. He still goes outside with me to play. He comes camping with us as a family. He gets groomed by our mobile groomer every 6 weeks. He also gets some time with our dog walker. Both the groomer and the dog walker LOVE him. He is truly a great dog but snaps in a second. If he was an all the time aggressive dog than I would have put him down but he's not, he is just unpredictable. 90% of the time he is a caring loving dog. It's weird, you can take a toy out of his mouth, you can take food out of his mouth but if he is eating something like trash or dirty tissues and you reach for it, forget it. In my wifes case she called him to come and he ignored her and kept going, so she stepped on that 15 foot leash he wears and it tugged him back. He came back at her and ripped her arm up good. There was blood everywhere. She went to the doctors, no stiches or anything but she needed bandage. That was the LAST time he has bitten anyone and it's now been 3 years since.

And it is also true that I love my dogs very much. If given the chance I snuggle with my dogs over my wife. Not really because I love them more, I love them the same but the dogs only have a 10-12 year lifespan if we're lucky and I want to cherish every day I have with them. Same goes for the wife but we are only 36, we have many years together I hope........

If my border collie got out, I would NEVER expect to see him again. I have him chipped in hopes that I can at least get his body back to bury him. I understand the repsonsibilty of animal ownership and although I would be ticked off at first at my neighbor shooting him, in the end I would completely understand. I would not press charges or call the cops or sue......

 

[calista]

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I, too, am having trouble with the concept that you would keep a dangerous dog like this after he bit your spouse.

The ten percent of the time the dog is unpredictable and "snaps in a second" could be fatal to her or someone else if there's a next time.

May I ask if she's read your responses in this thread and what she might have to say about her attack.

 

[mons02035]

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This is the EXACT reason why I decided to post this article here. I want to make sure that your comment here remains true for centuries to come. But the comments made by people about that article (on the article site not here) make me so afraid that things may be changing for the worse in this country. It would not have surprised me so much if this was a city or a suburb of a city where this happened but this is rural Maine for crying outloud.

 

[mons02035]

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Okay this is just getting silly. I posted this here to make a point and some of you have just taken what you want from it. Like the domestic violence person delibritley leaving out the fact that he bite me as well. I didn't think I would have to explain my enitre process to how I keep and manage my unstable dog.

First let me clear. I have studied dogs. I have shown dogs. I have owned dogs. I have paid experts to train my border collie from going to group classes to hiring a well know person who has authored a book about dogs like my border collie to another personal trainer that came to my home every week for over a year to train him.

He has never bitten anyone other than me and my wife. Every professional that has ever worked with him has NEVER believed my stories about him until they pushed him to it which in many cases was a few visits. My current dog walker has yet to see my border collies true colors but loves him to death. I say this because I want to make the point that he is NOT an actively violent dog. Some dogs you approach are violent from the get go, you now the dog is dangerous and you stay away. You would NEVER know this of my border collie. Also, he is not unique. Many border collies have this temperment. As a matter of fact many professional will tell you that a border collie is more dangerous than a pit bull.

As for him fatally biting someone. First, the only person that deals with him without a muzzle on is me. I have a special muzzle that he wears that allows him to have his mouth open and pant and drink and eat. He does however look like Hannibal lector...... I advise others that deal with him about his capabilities and I allow them to decide wether he keeps the muzzle on or not. For the record, from the mouths of my walker and groomer, he is the BEST dog they deal with out of all their clients.

Now, for my house. I live in a split level ranch. My border collie lives in the downstairs portion of my house. The downstairs has my office and media room. I am a stay at home dad so I am home with him just about all the time. My son and my wife pretty much always stay upstairs where the play room, kitchen, bedrooms, family room and dining room are. In other words, my border collie has his own house and my wife and son have their own house. Same goes for the camper. I have a big 31 foot camper with bunk beds. My son has one side, my border collie has the other. It is very well managed if I do say so myself.

As for my wife and her comments. Although my wife was upset after the attack, she would not allow me to put him down either. She and I always joke that my 2 dogs better check their food before they eat because my wife may poison them because she is jealous. THIS IS ALL IN JEST. My wife is awesome and understanding. Would she tolerate my border collie biting her again, NO. And God forbid he ever touch my son. BUT I am confident that my wife and son are safe and that my border collie is living a decent life, not a great life but decent. He is still living better than probably half of the dogs out there. He is indoors, he sees us everyday and spends time with us, he goes on vacations with us, he gets medical treatment and regular grooming, he eats some of the best food made for dogs, he has a nice expensive custom made dog bed and his own TV. This dog lives better than most people for crying outloud.

I hope this satisfies some of you out there as this was never my intent when I first wrote about this. I apologize to those that are getting annoyed at how this post went of track. I just wanted to make a point that not only do I support shooting a dog if it's attacking your animals but that I am also a bleeding heart when it comes to animals and I thought my story would be compelling for that. I have learned a lesson here today........

 

[Gingerlilypad]

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Not domestic violence, unless the dog is deliberately trained to bite the wife, as a way to control the wife. Otherwise it is just that the wife is a co-owner of a biting dog. (I am a domestic violence advocate, so I checked this statement out).

It also sounds like mons02035 is doing what he feels is best for his dog and family. It seems he has taken the the necessary precautions, and is willing to accept the responsibilities and consequences of keeping his dog. I personally wouldn't keep the dog, but then I have a different outlook than he does. He, however, has the freedom to make that decision, and really shouldn't be criticized for it.

As for the man in the article who shot the 100 pound "puppy" That was attacking his chickens, I agree with his actions 100%.

 

[mons02035]

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Not domestic violence, unless the dog is deliberately trained to bite the wife, as a way to control the wife. Otherwise it is just that the wife is a co-owner of a biting dog. (I am a domestic violence advocate, so I checked this statement out).

LOL, thank you for clarifing. No, he is not trained to bite my wife. And actually all of the dogs papers are only in my wifes name so she is the owner of a biting dog.......

 

[Upcycled]

Trespass + Harm = Dirt Nap

Dog is a fine meal.

***Beagle owner and Top of the Food Chain Alpha Human who doesn't even believe dogs belong indoors***