Dog Spay and Neuter: Discussion

[SundownWaterfowl]

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I know what you mean.

 

[Pupsnpullets]

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Rebelcowboy and Jaime I go along with much of which both of you have said and the question on this thread goes very much deeper than whether an animal has had the 'unkindest cut' or not.

A lot of the behavioural issues we're dealing with have a lot to do with the dogs' systems being completely out of balance and one of the reasons for this is through over use of vaccinations. This is probably a whole other thread but I believe we had done a huge injustice to our companion animals in our clumsy efforts to help them. It could be said that a pet owner who isn't interested in 'being responsible' and having the animal neutered is also going to shirk the immunization deal, too. However the scientists are now finding out that most of the vaccines damage the nerve endings and also change the dna of the recipient, which then gets passed on to the offspring.

Two of the symptoms of vaccine damage are being overly sexual and wanting to wander.

This is a very interesting topic and I'll continue to follow it.

Rabies Vaccinosis Alert


by Dr. Michael Dym, VDM Homeopathic Veterinarian





Vaccination is often thought of by the conventional medical community as a benign procedure intended to prevent certain acute diseases, with side effects only occurring rarely. Rabies is a viral disease which can be deadly in people and pets. Because of the human health risks, dogs and cats are vaccinated for rabies by law every 3 years.

Unfortunately vaccination can result in certain sensitive individuals a chronic disease state one that is long-lasting, indeed in some cases a life-long condition. In human children there is increasing evidence of linkage between vaccination and chronic illnesses such as autism, juvenile diabetes, and asthma.

This state of "vaccinosis" is understood as the disturbance of the life force that results in mental, emotional and physical changes induced by the laboratory modification of a viral disease to make a vaccination.

In other words, instead of seeing acute expressions of viral disease, we are, instead seeing symptoms of chronic illness which are actually documented to occur in rabid animals. Symptoms of rabies include restlessness; viciousness; avoidance of company; unusual affection; desire to travel; inability to be restrained; self biting; strange cries and howls; inability to swallow resulting in gagging while eating/drinking; staring eyes; swallowing wood, stones, inedibles; destruction of blankets, clothing; convulsive seizures; throat spasms; increased sexual desires; disturbed heart function; excited and jerky breathing. My biggest concern with pets are the changes in behavior after being vaccinated. This is usually along the lines of aggression, suspicion, unusual fears, etc. The essential aspect is a lack of control of impulses.

Many pets may exhibit any or many of the above behaviors indefinitely such as "reverse sneezing" and increased mounting seen in neutered pets. Conventional medicine does not explain these odd symptoms, but homeopathically these pets may be exhibiting symptoms of rabies vaccinosis and occur fairly commonly in my opinion.

You certainly need to follow the law with regard to rabies vaccination. A homeopathic remedy given at the time of immunization can help reduces side effects. If your pet is suffering from the above symptoms, he/she can be evaluated by a homeopathic vet to try and cure this chronic diseased state.

 

[NewHopePoultry]

I have my females spayed, but I dont always have my males neutered.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

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Interesting... Never heard that term. Actually the whole post was interesting. It would make an interesting thread by its self.

Being as I may have pushed this thread pretty far off topic already I think I will "sandbag" for a while an just see where the thread goes from here.

 

[mamaKate]

I have four dogs. The one that I purposely chose was spayed at 5 mos. because at that time I believed it was the only responsible thing to do. My other 3 were taken in after being abandoned. They weren't planned and the funds just weren't there for the surgery.The little 12 lb. Beagle/ Dachshund female was turned into the street when a neighbor decided her temperament was unsuitable for kids. We've had her for 9 years in the house with 2 intact males. The only member of the pack who has serious health problems is spayed. I don't know that's the reason but I've read enough in recent years to make me decide to never spay or neuter again. The hormone issue seems obvious to me. As for the argument that it prevents disease, couldn't we take out teeth to prevent cavities? How many other body parts could they survive without? I agree ( having seen animal mistreatment and neglect that leaves me wanting to cry or hurt somebody) that spaying is suitable for many situations. I just won't ever do it for my dogs again.

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

All of my males are altered. The female, the Shih Tzu I haven't had spayed yet (she's 3) because I'm concerned with the practice. The males' surgery isn't as in-depth as the females and I have seen females be spayed then die a few hours later because the vet did not finish the job and stop the bleeding.

Vida has only ever had one heat cycle...so I'm not too entirely worried. We are prepared to care for her during her seasons but so far...only once have I ever had to even separate her from the neutered males for her protection (120 lbs. lab vs. 10 lbs. Shih Tzu...not exactly an even match!)

 

[aggieterpkatie]

I'm not sure who coined the term "unkindest cut." Seems pretty kind to me when you take into account all the lives that could be saved by spaying and neutering pets. I think the "unkindest cut" would have to be the choice to cut a dog or cat's life short because the animal shelters are overflowing with thrown away dogs and cats because people were too irresponsible to spay and neuter their pets.

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

Here's my question to you...since when is not spaying and neutering a bad decision?

What about those of us that prevent our animals from being bred because we do not want to take a chance on the animals dying on the operating table?

 

[aggieterpkatie]

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Are you asking me? I personally feel like there's a much higher risk of an animal being mistakenly bred or mistakenly breeding an animal than there is a chance of them dying on the operating table. I mean, look at this forum for example. How many threads are there on accidental litters vs. dogs dying while being altered?

There's really not a concrete "right or wrong" here, but in my opinion, not spaying and neutering is a bad decision- not only because of accidental breedings but also because of health problems such as prostate cancer, pyometria, mammary tumors, etc.

 

[redhen]

Ya know what i dont understand..?
How some breeders can breed their dogs and think that its okay...
BUT..let them hear about someone that THEY deem below themselves breeding a mutt dog or even a low quality pure breed dog...
then they get ALL up in arms and start to bash people...
When they themselves are contributing to the pet population pproblem themselves..but they JUST cant see it....
Interesting if ya ask me...
but noone did..so...

What i'm trying to say is... as long as you are 100% responsible for your dogs pups... then ANYONE should have the right to let their dogs breed without prejudice if they want to... (i've said this before..) a dog is a dog ..period. And your $1000 mutt.. has no more right to be here than my $50 mutt... and yes, i say MUTT..because MOST..if not ALL domestic dogs today are all mixed with other breeds to get a certain wanted quality in that breed.
Like my saints... they were mixed with newfies to get their long coats...there is also mastiff in a saint bernard...
what other breeds does your PURE breed have mixed in it?? Just wondering...( I think its facinating how they mixed different breeds together to get what we have today...)
actually they are STILL doing it today..