Dotted White - Coturnix japanica

Buttercup Chillin

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Ok, here the quail I saw were called Mexican Speckled White Quail. They were selling Coturnix Quail - Jumbo Browns, Tibetans and the Mexican Speckled Whites. I did not know that they should be called Snowflake. Or forgot. I have seen a paper on genetics that used this speckled white quail in the study.

You have to remember, I live where Texas A & M is. Houston to the South, College Station to the West and Austin to the South West. All of these campuses have done major studies on Coturnix. Not all speciments are kept at the universities for study, local breeders keep these birds for the universities or some universities.

When I went to buy feed they were very interested in the fact that I had 20 breeders. (So knew how to take care of them- well a little anyway). I have never seen so much Gamebird feeder at one time in one place. They were very specific as to what they would order and what they carried that I could buy. I may have stumbled on the store that supplies someone that breeds birds for study. Don't know

These Mexican White Speckled (sorry, Snowflake) are the birds that got me interested in Coturnix. They are why I checked out the quail section. When I came across Monarc's thread on the different colors in these quail, well that hooked me. So I had to learn how to raise them because I have only raised chickens before. Nothing smaller.

I will check and see if I can get some, its not a store that I can just go to. I have never seen them except in the spring though. At the rate they were procing them they will probably $15 each next year. I didn't know then that they were so rare or why.

I can't find anything on the history of them. I do not have access to a university library and I can't afford $25 a paper to find out. We're retired for petes sake. I believe that they mutated in Mexico, many many years ago. I believe that they were brought to the Old world and were bred with coturnix, cortunix or coturnix, japanaca and this is the foundation for the golden Italian Speckled. Speckling is very similar.
 
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But the bobwhites are not Coturnix japonica I have been doing research on the Japanese Quail for years. The Japanese Quail quail are old world quail and the bobwhites are new world quail...

Snowflake and Mexican Speckled Bobwhites are Colinus virginianus

I am not just saying this. I have gone to college and have been in labs with the coturnix...
 
What I am saying, there is a snowflake bobwhite...I have them...there is no snowflake coturnix, sorry to disappoint you. I am in process of attending Texas A and M for grad school to study these quail further. I know all the mutations available in the U.S, despite on what Monarc says ( I am still updating her pages as people have asked me to). If you would like to keep in touch with me, we can chat about these birds so you have a better idea about them.
 
Check this out : Allelism of panda and dotted white plumage genes in Japanese quail. Look at www.pubmed.gov and do a search for dotted white.

Other places to look for information on color mutations as well as other mutations. www.oxfordjournals.org and also look thru www.genetics.org and at www.biomedcentral.com

Look for Color Mutations of Japanese Quail. Then look for related articles. There are frizzled mutation, porcupine mutations, Rusty, Sex links, Tufted, the list goes on and on.

BUT They are being studied. As universities, finish their studies, as grants dry up and colleges cut back on expenses, these Mutations find their way to the public sector.

An example is the Manchurian Gold, it was developed here in the states by Marsh Farms, but the Italian Specled has been around much much longer overseas. You can bet the Manchurian Gold was a Mutation that was further developed. Or it was a cross with an Italian Specled.

I'm sorry right now I am furious. I just got back from the feed store - 1st one - station. They did not send my order in. But they did send in order for another that is starting up a business raising the Jumbo or rather Giant Coturniex. I tried to get Bear Bayou birds and was told by their daughter I assume they retired years ago and the birds were gone. That they only had a few for themselves.

Now some guy has them. is going to need 10 bags of feed a week. Well I got 2.

I am so mad I am thinking of going elsewhere. He left my babies high and dry. I put my original order in over a month ago. If this guy had not put in a large order. There would not have been any feed for my quail. I am so mad.

edited with the GSA website and others. and added the next few paragraphs.
 
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Have you tried ordering through the Internet.

There is another study done..problem is that some color varieties are so lethal you can't breed them. Still the dotted is part of the manchurian I believe. I have it in my notes.

I have a major one with all the colors studied if you are interested i can photocopy and send to you.
 
Actually, they have lines of these mutated birds kept at and for universities. Yes, some of the lines have a high number for lethal genetics but they are bred. I don't think the white dot has that problem. There are I think 5 whites and 4 yellows that I have seen in articles.

Most of the information that I want is Archived and I would have to pay for it. I'm not going to do that. I'd rather spend the money on getting the birds.

I raise the Jumbos for our food, that is why I am so Mad right now. I can't walk into any store and buy meat like most people. I would like to have some regular different colors along with the meat birds though, just for fun.

I do know that I am not going to join in on how to breed in general or how to keep a line going in chickens or quail. Yes, I breed chickens, I raise ducks and I may start breeding Jumbo Quail rather than raise them.

I do know that I will not discuss the feed formula's that I use to supplement with to improve a line. I have a feeling, well I'm real mad right now and I'll just leave it at that.
 
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The British call the Manchurian Golden, the Italian Speckled...that is interchangeable. It's the same coloring. White, Tuxedo, Manchurian Golden, and British Range (rosetta, tibetan, and golden range, were promoted in the United States by the prominent quail pioneer Albert Marsh. Fawn was around this time as well but more rare. Today fawn is a little more common but still on the rare side. I have some on my farm. There are some mutants out there but usually the birds are culled if they don't show to breed well. A great publication to read is "Mutations and Major Variants in Japanese Quail" by Cheng and Kimura.
 
I probably wouldn't be able to get any of the varients anyway. So I am dropping out of quail.

I juat wanted people to know that they are out there. And mutants do happen on a regular basis that is one reason they are studied so much. That is why they have crossed (artificial insemination) with chickens to study the color genetics that are common between the two.
 
Don't give up. Do I need to go down there and beat up the gas station guy so he gives you food? My goodness...don't they care there are babies that need food??
 

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