Dry Incubation VS. Wet

https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/hatching-eggs-101
HUMIDITY
The Air Bubble in the Egg
The average chicken egg has thousands of pores running through the shell allowing the embryo to exchange oxygen and carbon dioxide. Water is also lost through these pores. Soon after an egg is laid, a small air bubble or “air cell” forms in the large end of the egg from this water loss. Humidity levels in the incubator determine moisture evaporation during the 21 days of incubation and hatching. The air cell is crucial for the chick to break out of the egg shell at the end of the incubation period. The chick can drown if the air cell is too small or the chick may be retarded in growth if the air cell is too large. This is why maintaining the proper humidity is crucial. Slightly lower humidity levels are more likely to be less disastrous than slightly higher humidity levels.

There are quite a few opinions on Humidity. After reading and researching for hours and hours,
I ALWAYS use DRY INCUBATION METHODS!


HOWEVER, if you are high altitude you will NOT use these methods!
Please continue with the 50-55% humidity and then 72% lockdown humidity.
The higher the Alt the more humidity needed.

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What Dry Incubation implies is….
ONLY adding a small amount of water if Humidity DROPS below 25% and it should NOT go above 45% until day 18 LOCKDOWN,
then stop turning and raise humidity to 62-65%


I have read and re-read this article numerous times!
https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/how-to-incubate-hatch-eggs-using-the-dry-incubation-method
And read this entire thread with over 300 posts of information
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/113681/humidity-in-bator-excellent-info-here-everyone-should-read-this

Humidity will naturally fluctuate in your incubator as it fluctuates widely with weather conditions.
If it is slightly lower or higher some days then don't worry about it. Do your best to keep the humidity level in the incubating room around 50%. You may actually need to dehumidify. By controlling the room humidity, you can be more accurate with humidity inside the incubator. Just remember high humidity is MUCH worse than low humidity as higher humidity hinders the evaporation inside of the egg. Each egg must lose approximately 13% of its weight
during the incubation process. You can monitor this by marking Air cells and also by weighing.
I choose the easier method, keeping a close eye on air cell growth during incubation.
Please refer to CANDLING section of this Article for more Air Cell info.


Size of air cell on day 7, 14, and 18 of incubation



NOTES: It’s a good idea to keep the incubator plugged into a surge protector. Use distilled water in your incubator to help prevent bacteria growth. Omphalitis, Mushy Chick Disease and Yolk Sack Infection may be caused by a bacterium that enters through the porous egg shell. Unfortunately, incubation conditions are ideal for breeding bacteria as well as incubating eggs. Brinsea sells a disinfectant, formulated to be used for cleaning eggs, incubators, safe and effective against yeasts, fungi, viruses and bacteria which can cause fatal damage to the growing embryo. Pennies can be added to water wells. Copper helps to destroy the cell walls of bacteria, thus keeping bacteria out of the incubator. Pennies before 1982 have more copper content and pure copper kills 99.9% of bacteria.
 
https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/hatching-eggs-101
[SIZE=28pt][COLOR=FF0000]HUMIDITY[/COLOR][/SIZE]​
[COLOR=FF0000][SIZE=18pt]The Air Bubble in the Egg[/SIZE][/COLOR]​
[SIZE=14pt]The average chicken egg has thousands of pores running through the shell allowing the embryo to exchange oxygen and carbon dioxide. Water is also lost through these pores. Soon after an egg is laid, a small air bubble or “air cell” forms in the large end of the egg from this water loss. Humidity levels in the incubator determine moisture evaporation during the 21 days of incubation and hatching. The air cell is crucial for the chick to break out of the egg shell at the end of the incubation period. The chick can drown if the air cell is too small or the chick may be retarded in growth if the air cell is too large. This is why maintaining the proper humidity is crucial. [COLOR=FF0000]Slightly lower humidity levels are more likely to be less disastrous than slightly higher humidity levels.[/COLOR][/SIZE]​
[SIZE=14pt]There are quite a few opinions on Humidity. After reading and researching for hours and hours,[/SIZE]​
[SIZE=14pt]I ALWAYS use DRY INCUBATION METHODS![/SIZE]​
[SIZE=10pt]HOWEVER, if you are high altitude you will NOT use these methods![/SIZE]​
[SIZE=10pt]Please continue with the 50-55% humidity and then 72% lockdown humidity.[/SIZE]​
[SIZE=10pt]The higher the Alt the more humidity needed.[/SIZE]​
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[SIZE=22pt]What Dry Incubation implies is….[/SIZE]​
[SIZE=22pt]ONLY adding a small amount of water if Humidity DROPS below 25% and it should NOT go above 45% until day 18 LOCKDOWN,[/SIZE]​
[SIZE=22pt]then stop turning and raise humidity to 62-65%[/SIZE]​
[SIZE=14pt]I have read and re-read this article numerous times![/SIZE]​
[SIZE=10pt]And read this entire thread with over 300 posts of information[/SIZE]​
[SIZE=14pt]Humidity will naturally fluctuate in your incubator as it fluctuates widely with weather conditions.[/SIZE]​
[SIZE=14pt]If it is slightly lower or higher some days then don't worry about it. Do your best to keep the humidity level in the incubating room around 50%. You may actually need to dehumidify. By controlling the room humidity, you can be more accurate with humidity inside the incubator. Just remember high humidity is MUCH worse than low humidity as higher humidity hinders the evaporation inside of the egg. Each egg must lose approximately 13% of its weight[/SIZE]​
[SIZE=14pt]during the incubation process. You can monitor this by marking Air cells and also by weighing.[/SIZE]​
[SIZE=14pt]I choose the easier method, keeping a close eye on air cell growth during incubation.[/SIZE]​
[SIZE=14pt]Please refer to CANDLING section of this Article for more Air Cell info.[/SIZE]​
[SIZE=10pt][COLOR=000080] [/COLOR][/SIZE]​
[SIZE=10pt][COLOR=000000]Size of air cell on day 7, 14, and 18 of incubation[/COLOR][/SIZE]​
[SIZE=11pt][COLOR=000080]NOTES: It’s a good idea to keep the incubator plugged into a surge protector. Use distilled water in your incubator to help prevent bacteria growth. Omphalitis, Mushy Chick Disease and Yolk Sack Infection may be caused by a bacterium that enters through the porous egg shell. Unfortunately, incubation conditions are ideal for breeding bacteria as well as incubating eggs. Brinsea sells a disinfectant, formulated to be used for cleaning eggs, incubators, safe and effective against yeasts, fungi, viruses and bacteria which can cause fatal damage to the growing embryo. Pennies can be added to water wells. Copper helps to destroy the cell walls of bacteria, thus keeping bacteria out of the incubator. Pennies before 1982 have more copper content and pure copper kills 99.9% of bacteria.[/COLOR][/SIZE]​
So in the design of my new larger incubator I should seriously consider the dry method after this info.
 
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well this is a relief to know all i really knew was to not get the humidity to high... apparently i was doing the dry incubation all along, i just went into lockdown today im hoping like crazy it works out for me, despite the darn cat unpluging the incubator at one point... besides a temperature spike on the first day i think i did a pretty decent job, guess ill find out tuesday...crossing my fingers
 
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my little thermometer say,s 99.5 but it don't seem that warm,in side my bator i just bought some hydrometer at a pet store for reptiles cause they had nothing else,I'm not sure what the heck I'm doing , i just put in 5 turkey eggs in my home made bator box,i sure hope i don't kill the little fellas
 
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my little thermometer say,s 99.5 but it don't seem that warm,in side my bator i just bought some hydrometer at a pet store for reptiles cause they had nothing else,I'm not sure what the heck I'm doing , i just put in 5 turkey eggs in my home made bator box,i sure hope i don't kill the little fellas
Hows the temps today?
 
seems to be high.like 103.i moved my box to wash room to the back of the house ,i Had it in front room so i could watch it but that wasn't working,wash room i had them in my front room and it seems to get , a little warm threw that day cause i have big windows that heat it in there,even if i keep shutters closed its warm
 
Very interesting... My first attempt is still in process and I am not confident based on the humidity levels and a strange temperature variance that I believe was brought on by the swings in humidity. Frustrating... I will give your dry method a try. Well, I'm gonna let it roll...
 
I am dry hatching as well but becase of all the rain the humidity hsa stayed consistently at 55 with no water being added. Fluctuations a point or two every now and then didn't seem to bother the growth of the chicks in the eggs. Last candling was day 14 and this is day 18. All of the eggs are blue and the shells are a bit thicker than some of the other eggs. After candling this evening i can better determine if more humidity is necessary. By misting or using a water filled sponge. I have heard these methods are more controllable. I will let everyone know how things went .
 
I have never tried still air incubation nor have I tried dry incubation but there are plenty of those who tried it and (so I hear) have had good results. So I guess "stick with what works for you and your equipment" applies on both sides of the fence.

But for me, I will stick to forced air and higher humidity's at 50 and/to 70%s plus.

Call me a fool for my comparisons but I see the incubation process much like putting a slice of bread in a conventional oven (still air), and Forced air more like those ovens that have fans in them.
In still air ovens the top side of the bread crust rather quickly but the underside will usually be kind of moist. In an oven where the air moves, that same slice of bread will dry out and toast more thoroughly (in the same amount of time) as the air movement removes moisture more quickly.
(Cooking light brown toast of course)

I will also say that the reason I choose forced air incubation is because I hatch in larger numbers and need air movement as to cover/heat more area with fewer cold spots....... Something I cant envision with a still air incubator or dry incubation and large quantities of eggs.

With force air incubators, higher humidity is essentially necessary as the outer shell is porous and subjected to moving air which will cause a more rapid dry out (wicking) of the inner moistures of the egg. Unlike the dry incubation and still air there is very little air movement so it will not loose moisture as quickly.

At pip and zip time, again I say that with a forced air incubator, the humidity should be raised to at least 70%-75% and the heat lowered just a degree or two as the membrane becomes more exposed and dries out more quickly due to the moving air.
 

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