d'Uccle color genetics

[Matthew86]

The colors I have are black,blue,splash, mottled, brown red mottled, lemon blue, white, self blue, Millie and golden neck. I am making blue mottled and blue Millie this year.

 

[Matthew86]

I do know that Europe and the US have different names. I used to call my lavenders 'self-blue' but that got confusing for people. Switching to just calling them lavenders rather than 'blues' has taken me some time, and I still catch myself writing 'b' on eggs instead of 'L'.


I could confuse things worse by saying I want to have 'silver & gold' chickens running around my yard. But I would mean butterscotch & lavender /img/smilies/hide.gif

But that IS my ultimate goal... Purely for my own fun and enjoyment.


Some records are in my head but I am currently putting them into an Excel spreadsheet with photos and dates. I can see that my head is soon to be overflowing with:
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I have some books on poultry genetics. They've been very good at causing /img/smilies/th.gif

I will get them back out and try again off and on.


I do sell hatching eggs. The Lav I sold as slightly better than pet quality, since they've won at shows but I'm not happy with them. I just rearranged my Lavenders, though. Put in a cockeral with better tail feathers since the original roo had more of a cochin tail than I wanted. He also had too much wattle. I'm trying to "fix the barn without damaging the paint". So until I know the new man is doing his duty and not just going through the motions I won't be selling those for a while. Just baking cakes & checking for fertility.


I have added a couple of butterscotch eggs in as extras for a couple of people with a variety of d'Uccles. Hhammack hatched a couple. A couple went to AK. Everyone I've sent them to knows they're project birds, and not SQ.


The lady I got my 2 extra butters from has a variety of d'Uccles and said she was curious about crosses, and I was getting a couple of resulting eggs. I plan to follow up and see what she bred to get to this point because I love these 2 and their color. Maybe I can get her on this thread as well. I'm just happy because they both appear to be female.

I think the gold-necked d'Uccles, or variations thereof, are a good place to start. I can't find true gold-necks in my area so I went with what appeared to be the next closest thing.


I do sell MF eggs when they're laying. They are truly from heritage stock and are very slow to mature and very late to lay. They also take a break any time the weather gets ugly /img/smilies/roll.png  It's hard to sell eggs when the birds are undependable. These are perfect SQ, and have won BoB for roo & hens at several ABA shows.

I had bought some MF eggs from someone else, thinking I'd add fresh blood to the flock. I'm selling all the chicks I hatched though. They are coming in with white too early and too heavy. I will not sacrifice MF color for egg production, so my little flock is staying closed. I haven't learned enough about poultry genetics and color combos, but I have on d'Uccle show qualifications. My MF are perfect in form & color and I won't be tampering with that, even for eggs!


Just out of curiosity:

Is mottled an even coloration (almost a pattern) and splash a random coloration ( irregular patches)? Or is there a better definition of each?

mottled isn't a color. Its a pattern. It puts a dot at the end of each feather. It requires 2 copies of the gene to show on the bird.

Splash is a bird that has 2 copies of the blue dilution which makes it appear white with ticking.

 

[Matthew86]

lavender takes 2 copies to show so lavender x millie cant produce lavender. i crossed a lavender over millie and got buff columbian split for lavender and mottled.

 

[paris_r]

i crossed a lavender over millie and got buff columbian split for lavender and mottled.

how does that work out? wouldnt a lavender over a millie produce solid black? were there some genes hiding in them (not hatchery stock?) right now in my pattern pen i have blue millie, millie and GN hens covered by a porcelain, black mottled and a lavender roo - i was expecting to easily isolate the chicks from the lavender or the mottled at birth expecting them (as per chicken calculator) to be black or blue (whereas the offspring of the porcelain would be brownish). is this not going to be how it is?

oh and i DID find a site with photos of B/B/S duccles.....it's in Australia....
--the first one is even splash for the millie pattern!

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.653445054675967.1073741884.507221085965032&type=3

 

[bambambelle]

Gorgeous boy! i just put a white/porcelain cross egg in the incubator lets see what happens.

 

[misfitmorgan]

how does that work out? wouldnt a lavender over a millie produce solid black? were there some genes hiding in them (not hatchery stock?) right now in my pattern pen i have blue millie, millie and GN hens covered by a porcelain, black mottled and a lavender roo - i was expecting to easily isolate the chicks from the lavender or the mottled at birth expecting them (as per chicken calculator) to be black or blue (whereas the offspring of the porcelain would be brownish). is this not going to be how it is?

oh and i DID find a site with photos of B/B/S duccles.....it's in Australia....
--the first one is even splash for the millie pattern!

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.653445054675967.1073741884.507221085965032&type=3

No lavendar aka porcelain will not show with only one lav. Crossing lav to any Dom color should make X split to porcelain.

The chicken calculator goes screwy with lavs and self blues on a lot of breeds.

So to make more Lavs when you only have on Lav hen or roo the crossing would go as follows:

I'm using MF
MF X lav = MF split to lav
MF split to lav X lav = 50% lav 50% MF split to lav
lav X lav = 100% lav

So all:
F1 chicks would all look MF
F2 chicks would be half looking Porcelain and half looking MF
F3 would all look like Porcelain

This is the method i would have to use to make more porcelains for myself as i only have one porcelain Roo. It makes for a very small gene pool though because you are inbreeding back to dad with his own kids.

 

[paris_r]

No lavendar aka porcelain will not show with only one lav. Crossing lav to any Dom color should make X split to porcelain.

The chicken calculator goes screwy with lavs and self blues on a lot of breeds.

So to make more Lavs when you only have on Lav hen or roo the crossing would go as follows:

I'm using MF
MF X lav = MF split to lav
MF split to lav X lav = 50% lav 50% MF split to lav
lav X lav = 100% lav

So all:
F1 chicks would all look MF
F2 chicks would be half looking Porcelain and half looking MF
F3 would all look like Porcelain

i have both a solid lav and a porcelain roo, i was speaking of the solid in what you quoted me for.

i am not trying to achieve lav right away (i do have a lav hen too but she is in my 'personality' pen right now), i really want blacks with (good) recessive mottled patterns in them as they have more potential., especially in the show ring as so much can go wrong with patterns and then dq you. what is omitted in your analysis above is the influence of the pattern, as far as i can tell pattern is recessive that is why i figured i would end up with black chicks from the lav roo and be able to identify them as his exclusively (as all hens are patterned and the other two roosters are also). i also want blue millies that dont have the dark ring on the neck from the b/b/s genes, by selectively breeding for lav millies that will create a consistent shade.

so since both lav and pattern are recessive, breeding him (he has great confirmation but some of that undesirable lav striping growth patterns) in this group seemed to be the best option.

one thing i am breeding for, albeit not intentionally, is hardiness and disease resistance. ever since i moved to Texas 3 years ago i have had non stop disease issues that i never had in Colorado. the first year fow pox hit and wiped out over 50 chicks (it was the wet form that the babies caught). i now have vaccine but last year was dry so i did not have any happen. i have also had a severe outbreak of Mareks that took out most of my Orpingtons and about 40 d'uccles (not all young). but the time i had my birds tested it was too late, face it by the time you notice the disease it is too late.

i get lots of wild birds -from cardinals to tree ducks to hoards of doves- visiting my tractors and yard and they are the vectors. my silkies were not effected and i lost about 30% of the d'uccles and pyncheons that were supposed to have been vaccinated from the supplier. since Mareks resistance is associated with a MHC haplotype it can be bred for. (anyone know who provides the blood typing service for this?) yes i have vaccine now but it only can help, and i read an article from China that says a second vaccination 7 days later will have an additive effect on survival (past 6 months). i let many broodies raise chicks so i cannot always vaccinate on day 1 as clutches are staggered. i spoke to the Pfizer vet and she said day 1 wasnt necessary but the earliest the better.

i am still debating on vaccinating for exotic newcastle as an outbreak hasnt happened here (regionally) in a while (i think the vet said 15 years).

 

[paris_r]

this is Antoine and a hen i have yet to name. the hen is about 9 months old right now. she was supposed to be a red brown, but as you can see she has some odd pattern. what is the term for the feather shaft being pale? i am breeding her to him as this will produce a solid (with perhaps some leaking) offspring. my brown reds are really friendly and chatty (as opposed to my whites-which are standoffish), but this is hardly a true brown red-anyone know what to breed her to to correct this? Antoine has great foot feathering and hers is weak, that is why i paired them together specifically.

 

[mymilliefleur]

This is not really a d'Uccle question, but since you all know a lot about this, I was wondering, what is the difference between jubilee, speckled (as in speckled sussux for example) and red porcelain genetics wise? They all look the same to me. Are they basically the same colorings, just different names?

 

[misfitmorgan]

this is Antoine and a hen i have yet to name. the hen is about 9 months old right now. she was supposed to be a red brown, but as you can see she has some odd pattern. what is the term for the feather shaft being pale? i am breeding her to him as this will produce a solid (with perhaps some leaking) offspring. my brown reds are really friendly and chatty (as opposed to my whites-which are standoffish), but this is hardly a true brown red-anyone know what to breed her to to correct this? Antoine has great foot feathering and hers is weak, that is why i paired them together specifically.

She almost looks like an odd partridge pattern.