My point exactly! Spaying neutering is the same exact thing IMO. Its chopping off or cutting out perfectly healthy normal tissue but no one thinks twice about that being cruel. And make no mistake... spaying neutering is not done for the dogs ,its done for our convenience so we can modify behaviors we don't like(example,leg lifting in males) and so we do not have to be responsible for keeping a closer eye on our animals to make sure they do not reproduce. Not exactly justifiable reasons in my book for major surgery.