Dust Bathing

Hey all,
Since our last post(@2 weeks ago), it's seems more obvious than ever that DE can exacerbate a respiratory issue, and definitely does NOT get rid of lice. Amongst other issues, our hens have been fighting respiratory issues for over a month. They'd come out of their coop in the morning really congested. Since replacing the sand in their coop(to which I had added DE and hydrated lime in small amounts), they sound much better in the morning. I scooped out the loose DE and soil in their dust bath area, and let them scratch up new soil. That also helped. About the same time, I noticed what looked like little wads of dirt caked around their vents, and "browning" of their feathers. Also, there were many missing feathers. After bathing the worse looking one, I could clearly see the wads of dirt were lice egg sacks with soil/DE stuck to them, and I could see the actual lice everywhere. The DE did not keep that from happening since those were not there @a month ago, as far as I could see. They would dust bath several times a day, and would get covered in dust. Even still, the lice survived just fine.
Another thing I noticed about the DE, when I would scoop their run and coop, a haze of dust would rise up and I personally avoided breathing it. It is not good for the lungs. After replacing the sand, I can scoop and not have that haze, so I assume the haze was the DE and possibly the hydrated lime, however the lime is very heavy and doesn't even kick up taking it out of the store bag.
One more piece of info.....was told by the vet's receptionist(mind you, possibly speaking out of turn), that the DE can dry out their skin, causing more flakes, giving the lice more to eat. Humm...... When I looked at the hens, they did have lots of flakes everywhere, including the tops of their heads, and lice were also everywhere, including the tops of their heads..... I don't remember there being as many flakes when they first arrived....
Not sure where the proof is that DE is a good thing. I'm thinking it could be coincidence that people who have used it for years, have never had a lice problem. Or, maybe once the lice are totally eradicated, and the hens are totally healthy with no respiratory issues, then the DE doesn't bother their lungs and maybe helps warding off an adult lice that might try to crawl up onto a bird.
All this opinion, with no real experience to back it up :) And, feeling like a lot of remedies are promoted as natural, when in fact, they're actually harmful. I suppose in the same way that peanuts kill some people, but are okay for others. Just because it's natural, doesn't mean it can't harm you.
 
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that's very true. how did you end up ridding the lice? what did you use? I got some poultry dust for my birds as a preventive measure also I got a shampoo that's supposed to kill bugs.I haven't used the dust yet through I really don't want them to breathe it. I have used poultry protector. hoping this helps. as far as I can see no bugs yet but I'm looking for a good preventive treatment. not sure how to dust them without them breathing it in... wondering what you used? I've tried De also but it doesn't seem to do a good job for bugs and things that get into the hen house. I would imagine any dusting would have the possibilities of lung irritation. that's what I'd like to avoid. is there a better product that you know of to help prevent or treat bugs?
 
Hey,
So, for the lice, we have dusted them with Hi-Yield a couple days ago, and will do it again in 7 days.

http://www.amazon.com/Hi-yield-Garden-Livestock-Dust-Pounds/dp/B00585AH46

Both of the feed stores sell Sevin, but were amazingly enough, out of it. I cut off all the egg clusters I could see around their vents. For mites(which I don't know if they have) and the possible blood sucking lice, they are getting 2cc/gallon 1% invermectin liquid injectable in their drinking water for 2 days, then repeat in 2 weeks(which I know would miss lice hatching in the mean time, but we'll keep dusting for those.)
I would add some kind of salt/vinegar bath to the schedule, however, we are currently dealing with an unknown wound situation, and I have no idea if a bath would be good for it. So, I'll bath them when that's squared away. I have seen several postings on ways to bath, in this forum and will just follow one of them. Not sure which one yet.
I thought about getting out a 1/2"flatiron and frying the egg sack to kill them, but I don't know if the feathers would transmit heat into the chicken and burn them... Or what heat actually kills the eggs.
Since I under stand that lice don't live in the coops, I have yet to do anything about that, however, I know I should spray for mites if I find they live there. I'll be putting a white dish rag in the coop tonight to see if any mites crawl in it before I go through all the trouble of spraying/cleaning out the coop again......since we just did all that to remove the DE.
 
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Fun to watch them bathing........ just very thankfull that I get to use water! ;)
 

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