Dutch Bantams Breed Thread

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by Pathfinders, Nov 29, 2009.

  1. Crunchie

    Crunchie Brook Valley Farm

    Mar 1, 2007
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    Quote:We ended up keeping a young Moser hen that I believe would be Pearls full sister, her name is Biscuit. We had some odd colors come out of that pen. We had what ended up looking like a splash out of BLB roo and CLB hens--even if I marked the egg wrong, we had no pens set up that would result in splash offspring because we didn't want any splash.

    The only other possibility is a recessive diluter of black like lavender (which would also explain the lightness of the 'red' on the bird). If it is Lavender, then Pearl might be carrying it.

    I would love to investigate further, but my sister is concentrating more on MGB right now. The 'Splash' roo was sold with a trio of unrelated CLB hens. He was in a bachelor pen, and was a very happy little roo when he got his hens! I would love to see what the progeny out of that cross looks like!

    Pearl came from your "H" pen. Harvey's egg was marked with a star. So I don't think she came from that pen...though the possibility of carrying the Lav gene would have been pretty cool. [​IMG]

    With the CLB and BCLB, I would expect to get CLB and BCLB offspring, right?

    I cannot wait for spring so I can hatch some itt bitty Dutch chicks! [​IMG]
     
  2. Pathfinders

    Pathfinders Crowing

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    As far as we know, there are no purebred Dutch with the Lav gene (went over this not long ago when a C/BC pair sported out a Blue.)

    And yes, here's how it works with Cream/Blue Cream matings:

    Cream Light Brown = CLB
    Blue Cream Light Brown = BCLB
    Splash = S

    Results:
    CLB x CLB = 100% CLB
    CLB x BCLB = 50% CLB and 50% BCLB
    CLB x S = 100% BCLB
    BCLB x BCLB = 25% CLB, 50% BCLB, and 25% S
    BCLB x S = 50% BCLB and 50% S
    S x S = 100% S


    Laura
     
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  3. Ryu

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    I'm pretty sure most the birds in that breeding pen originally came from a breeder working on Porcelain Dutch, so I don't think it's impossible.
     
  4. Pathfinders

    Pathfinders Crowing

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    Quote:Hmmm. I think the operative word in my post was "purebred." As far as I know (and I could be wrong, but don't think I am), there are no purebred Porcelain Dutch here in the US. I know Jean Robocker is working on a number of unusual varieties, including Mille Fleur, Citroen Mille Fleur, and Blue Citroen Mille Fleur, but afaik not Porcelain.

    I think (and again, I could be wrong) anyone who is working with Porcelain Dutch has birds that have OEG in them, which do not, in my thinking, fall under the term "purebred." I know Ideal sells Porcelain "Dutch", but their birds are not Holland Dutch, and if you go far enough back in their backgrounds, they have been crossed with OEGs.

    I had a long chat with the owner of Ideal about this one day about two years ago, and his comment was that they had purchased their original Dutch stock from a breeder who apparently told them they were pure. However it was well-known at the time by other Dutch breeders that that person had crossed their birds (long story that I heard from a breeder who has been working with Dutch for over 50 years now.) And the owner of Ideal said to me "After four or five generations I consider a cross to be purebred anyway."

    I disagree with this statement, and said so. We decided to agree to disagree. IMO, any Dutch bird that has OEG in it will not breed true over the long haul. Oh, you may get a generation or two that look right, but sooner or later the OEG blood will out, and you'll get a host of characteristics which are NOT correct Dutch type.

    I don't mean to sound inflexible, but to me, any Dutch bird that has OEG in it is not what I consider a "purebred" Dutch, and afaik there are no Holland Porcelain Dutch here in the US.

    And for your viewing pleasure (enough to make me drool!) here's the Hollandse Krielen Club website: http://www.hollandsekriel.nl/
     
  5. Ryu

    Ryu Songster

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    Perhaps they meant Porselein. Unless one of the breeders we bought from got their birds from a hatchery and didn't disclose it, to my knowledge we have no hatchery birds.

    Irregardless, BLBxCLB does not result in splash progeny. CLB and BCLB is not hard to tell apart, and we had no pens that would yield splash. He was the only progeny out of that pen for 3 hatches (he was in the 2nd hatch) to look that way, perhaps he was a sport if that makes everyone feel better.

    Enjoy your Dutch.
     
  6. Crunchie

    Crunchie Brook Valley Farm

    Mar 1, 2007
    Maryland
    Well, we'll see what happens after I've grown out a few generations from these guys. [​IMG] I'm just tickled with them. And goodness, they are a whole heck of a lot easier to get clean and primped for a show than my Polish! [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Thanks, Ryu & Laura, for helping to clarify the CLB/BCLB genetics for me & for more information. [​IMG]

    ETA: Wow, the birds on the Dutch site... [​IMG] I guess their Partridge is our Light Brown and Yellow Partridge is Cream Light Brown? That red-shouldered blue cream light brown is too cool...
     
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  7. spotsplus

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    I have one Dutch hen about 1 year old. I have to say she is one of my favorites. She always likes to hop on my shoulder or back if I am squatting down in the coop and her feathers are very soft feeling. She's very curious which is why I chose her. Her name is "Dutchie" LOL- I know- not original but easy to remember. [​IMG]
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    Not the best photo but she's very active and getting one of her "sitting still" is not usually possible [​IMG]
    T
     
  8. Nava

    Nava I Got The Naked Neck Blues

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    could this be a dutch [​IMG]
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  9. Carol.in.WV

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    Quote:I have a pair of Dutch either silver or blue and the cockerel hangs out with the 3 golden comet pullets and RIR rooster, but the dear little tiny girl hangs out by herself. She is sleeping about 40 or 50 feet up in a cedar tree, despite all our efforts to catch her and put her with the other bantam pullets, as cold as it has been here in the Appalachian mountains every morning I am surprised to see her, so she is hardier than expected. I also have 3 Japanese bantam still roosting in an apple tree very high up that we have failed to catch (and hold on to) Catching these 4 tree roosting birds is our project for this am before we get about 5 to 8 inches of snow later.
     
  10. Pathfinders

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    Quote:At first glance she looks like she might be Dutch, but she is not. Note the light colored legs and partially red ear lobe. She is likely an OEG or OEG cross. Where did you get her? She's cute, no matter what she is.
     

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