Dutch Bantams Breed Thread

[JeanR]

These nice bantams are certainly not Dutch, even though there are some kind to similar parts. Bantams do not have to be a BREED, if they are cross breds of crossbreds, they still are nice pets, doubtless, good layers. These are just not DUTCH, that are a unique breed developed in The Netherlands and if bred by the rules, are truly worth preserving their correct TYPE and VARIETIES (colors/patterns). You can just Enjoy these little ones as "Banties". (And those chicks from FEED STORES---they are shipped in, and they have no way to tell if they are "as ordered" or "as represented".) And since most Hatcheries purchase their eggs to hatch (except some of their own brand, large Layers), they, too, have no real idea if what hatches is " as what they purchased". Here are two lovely correct Dutch cockerel, in the most popular variety: Light Brown. One is from a California breeder, the other in The Netherlands... could be brothers!!!:

 

[JeanR]

Here are several LB cockerel pictures from Paul Heath, UK, showing nice type that shows up very young, and how they mature at nearly a year old.. (can't download the young cockerels pictures, will keep trying......) here is one, the other surely will download--try again!

 

[Muscoveyman]

Doesn't look like it. Wrong leg color, body type, and feather pattern.

I've been told he's actually a Colombian Dutch bantam and his colour is double barred crele he looks just like this one in person

 

[JeanR]

Would really like to know the breeder of Crele Dutch! And source of your nice picture? There are few bred in The Netherlands, UK--not an easy variety to breed even with the right breeding birds. We had several breeders who had OEGB crosses, but not Dutch TYPE, and gave them up. However, your own bird that is pictured does not display Crele color/pattern. Is it just your picture?--never easy to get them to stand still in good lighting! Truly, it is difficult to tell a lot from our pictures, and always must only say "what it looks like IN THE PICTURE". With good records of breeding birds (and in the US, their origins) true Dutch are easy to identify. Without more than "I was told", the appearance must be compared to the Standardized description. True DUTCH are the only Dutch! But we can like our crosses just as much!

 

[JeanR]

Muscovyman, Well, I see you paid in Euros for your bird--makes a lot of difference in identity of your "Dutch" cockerel. Holland, Germany, other? Visited a number of breeders over there, Denmark to Italy, and attended quite a few Shows in past years. My Dutch Bantams all came from Holland--the last in 2006. Makes quite a difference in Dutch varieties, since we do not have very many varieties in the US--and can't make them,as we do not have the Regional breeds of Holland, that are related (in the past) to Dutch Bantams! Clearer picture of your rooster might show that he is a Blue Silver?? It just isn't a clear picture of him. He could still be a cross bred, but knowing the breeder might answer that question---good luck....

 

[Muscoveyman]

Would really like to know the  breeder of Crele Dutch!   And source of your nice picture? There are few bred in The Netherlands, UK--not an easy variety to breed even with the right breeding birds.  We had several breeders who had OEGB crosses, but not Dutch TYPE, and gave them up.   However, your own bird that is pictured does not display Crele color/pattern.   Is it just your picture?--never easy to get them to stand still in good lighting!    Truly, it is difficult to tell a lot from our pictures, and always must only say "what it looks like IN THE PICTURE".  With good records of breeding birds (and in the US, their origins)  true Dutch  are easy to identify.   Without more than "I was told",  the appearance must be compared to the Standardized description.   True DUTCH are the only Dutch!   But we can like our crosses just as much!

I'm in Ireland and the breeder of the bantam is Donal campion if you look up his name and click on the Irish fowl site it will show all the various Dutch bantams that he breeds, it's a combination of him running away and a bad camera which is why his colours are not visible I also thought that maybe the Irish bred Dutch bantams might display different characteristics than the American bred ones much like the Irish Suffolk sheep is a thick boned stocky sheep where as the American is a taller looking sheep?

 

[Muscoveyman]

Muscovyman,   Well, I see you paid in Euros for your bird--makes a lot of difference in identity of your "Dutch" cockerel.   Holland, Germany, other?   Visited a number of  breeders over there, Denmark to Italy, and attended quite a few Shows in past years.  My Dutch Bantams all  came from Holland--the last in 2006.    Makes quite a difference in Dutch varieties, since we do not have very many varieties in the US--and can't make them,as we do not have the Regional breeds of Holland, that are related (in the past) to Dutch Bantams!    Clearer picture of your rooster might show that he is a Blue Silver?? It just isn't a clear picture of him.  He could still be a cross bred, but knowing the breeder might answer that question---good luck....

I'm based in Ireland I'll try to get a clearer picture of him but I was told he is most certainly not a cross bred but definitely a pure bred also he is this years bird so he said his adult plumage is not fully through but his colours will increase with age

 

[Muscoveyman]

The colour is a little better in this one

Also here is his hen that I bought yesterday she's also a Columbian Dutch

 

[JeanR]

Neither are COLUMBIAN. There are 6 Columbian varieties in Holland--none with pattern. I have bred Buff Coumbian and Blue Buff Columbian. We do not have Columbians in the US, (called White Columbian in Holland (wit columbian), but they were developed in UK with cooperation from breeder in Holland. Here are Columbian Dutch (pictures from Holland). Your birds show NO COLUMBIAN features, but are a Cuckoo (Koekoek) variety pattern. There are 5 Cuckoo varieties in Holland. Several are so new that pictures are not yet posted. But the cockerel has no overall Cuckoo pattern showing-- on wings and breast--should be same pattern over all the body. You will note that Columbian have blue legs. Cuckoo, genetically cannot have blue legs. They do show Blue plumage, in these pictures, so may be from experimental breeding birds. Wish you would send a PM with their breeder"s names. Meantime, can send your pictures to Dutch friends in Holland-- Will see what I can find--and if it is important for you to know more about them?
It is always nice to see pictures and also

nice to have contacts with Bantam folks--always so much to learn! Here is a pair of Blue Buff Columbian, light fades the Columbian hackle striping on the cockerel. Columbians have solid body color, (buff or white) black(or blue) hackle striping and solid tail color, as well as black (or blue) edged flight feathers, and like some other varieties are not easy to breed, but enjoyable to work with!!!

 

[Muscoveyman]

Here is what he breeds and he has assured me all his bantams are pure and these two are Columbian I wouldn't think he would lie about there breed as he's a registered breeder of them?

There is a light blue tint on there legs wish I could get a better photo they look very yellow in those, hope I wasn't sold crossbrebs as I was looking to breed them and sell the chicks :/