Ear/Sinus Infection?

[Ponypoor]

Yeah, you're probably a lot colder than we are. I'm all the way down in Iowa. I mean... it's been colder here. But this cold snap is settling in for quite some time. Good luck with yours! We've got about 30-some in a big hoop house I built this fall. It's working out pretty well. Keeps the wind off of them and when there's a little sun, it warms up pretty well.

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I started the Tylosin this morning. I was comparing pictures and her swelling and what-not isn't getting any better. Bought a small heated bowl at the farm store yesterday and tested it overnight. Kept it perfectly liquid. So that will make things easier and keep the meds in front of her for longer at a time. Actually, I just wish I could make a little paste of Tylosin and her feed into a little ball and feed it to her. I've never liked meds in water, seems like it's difficult to know dose is getting to them. And always wondered if them being in water messes with their efficacy.

Her crop felt more solid last night. I think maybe I'm just feeling it at a time when she hasn't eaten recently enough. Here she is last night.
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Awwww poor wee gal, sure hope she turns a corner soon. The cold cannot be good for her, how is her weight? Do you have a way to give her some supplemental heat? To help her along.

I weigh Tylosin on a kitchen scale that does grams - I have an old pill bottle with a snap lid, I put that on the scale and turn it on.

Then I start slowly adding tiny amts of the Tylosin powder to the bottle. Dose is 100mg/kg.

So 0.1gram (0.1g) for a kg of weight (2.2 lb in a kg)

My silkie Roo is 1.4kg but I rounded it up to 2 kg so that is 4.4 lb.

He gets 0.2g (200mg) daily for 7 days. I split this morning and night when he gets it.

Mixing Tylosin is hard, I use a bit of warm water (to make mixing easier) in a 1 gallon water bottle when I dose the whole gang - put the Tylosin in the 1 gallon bottle, add a cup or so of warm water put the lid on and shake the crap out of it. Once it’s all dissolved then add rest of water to make a gallon.

If your doing it by weight add a few ml’s (cc’s) of warm water to the weighed Tylosin in the small pill bottle, snap the lid on and shake the crap out of that.

I use a 1cc insulin syringe (without the needle of course!) and I ‘tube feed’ my Roo with the weighed mixture - if you don’t know how to tube feed then just get her to take a bit at a time.

Anyway you look at it, having pets is a lot of work. Esp in the winter.

 

[jwcarlson]

Awwww poor wee gal, sure hope she turns a corner soon. The cold cannot be good for her, how is her weight? Do you have a way to give her some supplemental heat? To help her along.

I weigh Tylosin on a kitchen scale that does grams - I have an old pill bottle with a snap lid, I put that on the scale and turn it on.

Then I start slowly adding tiny amts of the Tylosin powder to the bottle. Dose is 100mg/kg.

So 0.1gram (0.1g) for a kg of weight (2.2 lb in a kg)

My silkie Roo is 1.4kg but I rounded it up to 2 kg so that is 4.4 lb.

He gets 0.2g (200mg) daily for 7 days. I split this morning and night when he gets it.

Mixing Tylosin is hard, I use a bit of warm water (to make mixing easier) in a 1 gallon water bottle when I dose the whole gang - put the Tylosin in the 1 gallon bottle, add a cup or so of warm water put the lid on and shake the crap out of it. Once it’s all dissolved then add rest of water to make a gallon.

If your doing it by weight add a few ml’s (cc’s) of warm water to the weighed Tylosin in the small pill bottle, snap the lid on and shake the crap out of that.

I use a 1cc insulin syringe (without the needle of course!) and I ‘tube feed’ my Roo with the weighed mixture - if you don’t know how to tube feed then just get her to take a bit at a time.

Anyway you look at it, having pets is a lot of work. Esp in the winter.

I have one of the chick heater plates above her dog crate. It's not a ton of extra warmth, but she seems to be doing OK. I have thought about moving her into the hoop house. I'd be able to isolate her within that. But the temperature swings in there can be fairly drastic depending on what we have going on weather-wise.

I have not weighed her, but she has certainly lost weight. I think Chantecler chickens are quite a bit smaller than Orpington hens, which is what I'm used to. So it might be that she's just a little bit smaller than what I'm used to. I can weigh her if I find my luggage scale.
She sure eats and poops a lot. So, I think that system is working well. Though there could be something keeping her from gaining weight. I've been giving her 10-15 pieces of corn split between morning and evening in this cold.

I don't want to tube feed her, I've not done it myself, but when I was a kid we'd occasionally tube feed baby birds. We had a single cockatiel, so I have no idea why we were doing that. But... I'd like to be easier. I think if I could make it a paste and roll it into a ball or something, I'd be able to get her to eat it pretty easily. Actually, just a mash might work. I have a gram scale, so that would be pretty easy to do.

Tylosin certainly didn't want to mix too well, but I just did what I normally do with her electrolytes. Warm water in a quart jar with space for good "sloshing" and then shook a snot out of it. Topped it off. So basically, what you describe.

 

[PeaShack]

Hi, I have been following to see what pans out with your poor little hen.

We are dealing with a chronic pseudomonas otitis in our old 13 yo dog that has breast cancer. I was just looking it up, and this can also cause otitis/ear canker in poultry (along with other bacteria, protozoans, and fungi). I am wondering if this is what you are dealing with. Here is a link:

https://chickenwhisperermagazine.com/health-and-wellness/ear-canker

There is a non-prescription “All in One” bird antibiotic powder that is available on Amazon and other suppliers. I am attaching the picture. I mix it in a mash as a preventative for my young peafowl but have given it to a chicken as well with good results. By putting in food (vs water) you will use a lot less and it will last longer, though dosing can be tricky. (I also gave it to our chihuahua when he had several days of diarrhea and I couldn’t find the metronidazole stash…worked like a charm).

“The "All-in-One Powder" typically contains ingredients like Ronidazole, Tylosin, Levamisole, and Amprolium, which are used to treat various bird health issues such as Coccidiosis, Canker, and respiratory problems. This combination helps maintain the health and vitality of birds, especially during breeding or stressful periods.”

Ronidazole can cover for certain protozoans but is not approved for use in the US for livestock or people. In VERY high doses it can be carcinogenic. Just like with lots of things. There are lots of opinions on the ronidazole; I’m not exactly the person that trusts everything the FDA says. In other countries studies show it is a great option for metronidazole resistant C. diff colitis in people.

 

[Justagalwithchicks]

Just want to say I've been following this thread and rooting her on! She definitely is a fighter and wants to live.

 

[Echelontheory101]

Also just popping in to say I have been lurking and silently rooting her on for a bit! I just am too inexperienced to offer any advice but I really hope she gets better or if she doesnt I hope you atleast get some answers on what it was!

 

[Ponypoor]

I have one of the chick heater plates above her dog crate. It's not a ton of extra warmth, but she seems to be doing OK. I have thought about moving her into the hoop house. I'd be able to isolate her within that. But the temperature swings in there can be fairly drastic depending on what we have going on weather-wise.

I have not weighed her, but she has certainly lost weight. I think Chantecler chickens are quite a bit smaller than Orpington hens, which is what I'm used to. So it might be that she's just a little bit smaller than what I'm used to. I can weigh her if I find my luggage scale.
She sure eats and poops a lot. So, I think that system is working well. Though there could be something keeping her from gaining weight. I've been giving her 10-15 pieces of corn split between morning and evening in this cold.

I don't want to tube feed her, I've not done it myself, but when I was a kid we'd occasionally tube feed baby birds. We had a single cockatiel, so I have no idea why we were doing that. But... I'd like to be easier. I think if I could make it a paste and roll it into a ball or something, I'd be able to get her to eat it pretty easily. Actually, just a mash might work. I have a gram scale, so that would be pretty easy to do.

Tylosin certainly didn't want to mix too well, but I just did what I normally do with her electrolytes. Warm water in a quart jar with space for good "sloshing" and then shook a snot out of it. Topped it off. So basically, what you describe.

Yup just shake the snot out of it hahahaha. Good exercise and warms one up.

Try a mash - I give my gang lay and starter half and half made into a porridge in the morning it's a big hit - I make it hot so they scarf that back pretty fast. You can try a porridge and see if she eats it with the tylosin, you can also keep the tylosin water in front of her also.

Hi, I have been following to see what pans out with your poor little hen.

We are dealing with a chronic pseudomonas otitis in our old 13 yo dog that has breast cancer. I was just looking it up, and this can also cause otitis/ear canker in poultry (along with other bacteria, protozoans, and fungi). I am wondering if this is what you are dealing with. Here is a link:

https://chickenwhisperermagazine.com/health-and-wellness/ear-canker

There is a non-prescription “All in One” bird antibiotic powder that is available on Amazon and other suppliers. I am attaching the picture. I mix it in a mash as a preventative for my young peafowl but have given it to a chicken as well with good results. By putting in food (vs water) you will use a lot less and it will last longer, though dosing can be tricky. (I also gave it to our chihuahua when he had several days of diarrhea and I couldn’t find the metronidazole stash…worked like a charm).

“The "All-in-One Powder" typically contains ingredients like Ronidazole, Tylosin, Levamisole, and Amprolium, which are used to treat various bird health issues such as Coccidiosis, Canker, and respiratory problems. This combination helps maintain the health and vitality of birds, especially during breeding or stressful periods.”

Ronidazole can cover for certain protozoans but is not approved for use in the US for livestock or people. In VERY high doses it can be carcinogenic. Just like with lots of things. There are lots of opinions on the ronidazole; I’m not exactly the person that trusts everything the FDA says. In other countries studies show it is a great option for metronidazole resistant C. diff colitis in people.


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Hmmm - seems it would be a good option to try also.

I checked and it isn't available here, anything with an antibiotic here requires a Vet script, even if it's for pet birds or fish.

 

[Eggcessive]

I'm assuming 14 teaspoons per quart is a typo? It's a quarter (1/4) teaspoon, right?

Her eyes don't look too bad, they're clear... occasionally there's a bubble or two in one of them. There's still some stuff coming out of her ears, which I assume is the genesis of the crusty stuff that's still around on her face from time to time. She's also scratching at her head quite a bit as she seems to have new little scraches on her face fairly often. She does seem a little raspy. And her crop feels a little weird. Like it has air in it when she's going to bed for the night. I was feeding her monistat twice a day for a while, but not anymore. She's pooping plenty and it looks normal. I might be overthinking her crop. To be honest, it's not like I'm feeling a chicken's crop constantly.

The issue with Tylosin right now is the cold. It's hard to keep water in front of her constantly. If I'm home, I can fill it three times a day easily enough. I'm off Friday, so I could start it then or something. I'll think about it. I wish I had a small, heated water dish. Maybe I'll see if Farm and Fleet has one.

I'll also try to remember to get a picture of her tonight.

Yes, 1/4 tsp per quart or 1 tsp per gallon.

 

[Eggcessive]

Tylosin mixes better if the powder is always added to the water. I am not a fan of using the 4 in 1 medicines that are for treatment of multiple possible infections. Most of them are not approved for chickens, and may require an egg withdrawal time. It is best to know what you are treating, and use the specific medication. Tylosin oral does not require an egg withdrawal time.