@amenfarm, i think i was mistaken as asked, and think two were mixes/mules(?) with other type or pony, and why were bigger, and lighter colored. other two i was really just standing over to put pressure enough to get calmed to harness to teach to pull ( it is ok to train them to draft a cart or load?), but they were all especially two smaller, were seeming in great shape aside from looking like they swallowed a barrel. my equine knowledge is limited, so i was help enough with basics maybe, but beyond that i know only mustangs, quarter horses, and clidsdales. ive seen ones that look like the mini donkey just scaled to size like the two bigger ones, but was told they came in differant sizes till and old timer out from newport, at a morristown show laughed at me asking someone about then telling that they only originally came in one size, but bad breeding makes them like the pygmy goats, and mini pigs that get sold as, but get two to three times the actual size at least.. so im slow but im learning, and i can accept and admit that. lol so thanks for the clear up! also they only had the one coyote hanging around as their hounds baying and smell of said to keep pretty much everything but skunks and a cat away, and mostly going through pasture to go back and fourth by rabbits, and they were going to try to shoot if could get gun or let hounds out of pens (though the hounds wont go near the fence or horses they say), so guessing the poor coyote was a loner as they said it was small and thin, though maybe why it tried to go after alpaca instead of trying for rabbit cages again.
@itsthelaw, my border collie/pitt was hyper as heck as chainsaw with legs, but only needed to be training chain collar (commonly called a "choke chain" as most use wrong or leave on all the time and dont keep proper sizes on), trained once around the chicks even to get idea that they were not for playing with. then after that i had to just show that when something came withing my sight or sound that i didnt trust or want around (even my fiest that tried to go after them a few times, that she chased and made him stay away from them, and he was her best buddy before and after), that she was allowed to go after them, or to stay close to the "flock" ( i only started out with three fluffy easter chicks, at first). she would kill snakes, chase off coons, cats, other dogs (my fam's dogs and cats were the worst offenders that get in my yard and after, and the dogs were her friends raised with since she was a pup), jump at hawks, and wouldnt let my fam harrass them either. you dont have to segregate a single pup or dog alone as the old style says, and ive seen contrary to that practice anyway (my neighbor's pyranees would kill his own sheep when the neighbor dogs and coyotes came around, cause a dog knows its a dog, and needs to know who its respect and loyalties lie with, but the seller told him it needed to be put out with and basically ignored to think its a sheep.. lol then one day it turned on him and he shot it), but you do have to take time to teach right so training sticks. when you supposedly get a trained or conditioned dog, it is one that works well right off, was raised with stock type animal, by and with parents, who were also raised and trained with, which makes it much easier and care free, otherwise its some more work and watching to make sure at first whenever it has access to those animals its training and working time and a great thing. i and others who showed me (no im not some blow hard actually thats saying im a natural animal trainer/behavuralist, ive just had it taught slow and repeateldy by others who knew what they were doing more for long time), first need to get the pup to obey some basic commands: "take it" when you throw, drop or give it something it can eat or maul. "leave it" when you want it to stop playing, chewing, chasing a ball, or eating even, on the split second. "heel" or "stay close", to you or someone/thing else you tell it to. "follow" to stay with someone or thing. "stay" and/or "down". "watch it", were its focus is set on something but its not yet allowed to take it. "hold" or "hold it", were it has something but not allowed to take it yet or let it go either. then i teach "left", "right" out" "back" and so on for more specific things that unless your herding or want to direct it to go after something specific like lead dog coyote or wolf of a pack, that will scatter pack, go after someone who has weapon in a group thats attacking, or direct/herd the flock. some breeds maybe or blood of dogs are naturals, as my rough collie was from show stock, but not knowing if was working stock also, but parents as pups werent raised as either, or at all, after neighbor got, but when i put him with stock he had the instinct immediately to herd and protect them, even from other dogs, so maybe its just in the blood of a lot of these country dogs of south still (i never worked with more than police, military, and private security, and attack, and rescued fighting type dogs till moved down here from big city up north, so still learning a lot myself, but seen a lot of what does best and what doesnt work well). P.S. i also feed my dogs raw meat and eggs, and they dont try to take what isnt told they are allowed to have, and never had a dog kill anything of mine, even rescues that were repeat offenders before of killing chickens to other dogs, and people in some rare cases. ive heard a lot about great pyranees being big but laid back and gentle great guard dogs for stock and families in the area, except that the heat gets to them, heartworm (ive found trifexis is the best and cheapest, as treats and/or prevents all but tape worms), not fed correctly, and isolation and lack of socalization from other dogs and lack of training.
