EE/Ameraucana frustration

[Frost Homestead]

Here's another point of view:

If I take all my pure bred Ameraucanas of all colors and let them mix together.... the resulting chicks may be purple with pink spots, but they will still be Ameraucanas!

They won't be standard colors, but they are still pure Ameraucanas. Yet you'll find people climbing on their high horse to "educate" everyone on what birds they have.

eeeek. it's so funny that you say that about mixing the colors because I was just having a conversation about this with my DH. I had read many a post on the ameraucana thread about how they would not be considered Ameraucanas if they were not an accepted color, even if you know the parents and they are purebred. some people say that even if they meet all the other criteria, were hatched from purebred parents but the 'body shape' is off then they are not Ameraucanas.

Well what are they then!? They don't just become EE if they aren't mixed with other breeds, I'm assuming it's because they won't breed true? But splash x splash breed true and are considered Ameraucans but yet aren't accepted, no one goes around claiming splash Am birds are EE.

Splash wheaten not being accepted kind of confuses me, if I hatch out eggs from Blue Wheaten x Blue Wheaten and get some splash wheatens they aren't accepted....all the other chicks are...but the splash wheaten are still considered Ameraucanas, I don't think anyone would argue differently. Same with splash. They aren't accepted, but they hatch from blue x blue pairings of purebred birds. some call them "project Ameraucanas" but really, they are Ameraucanas and it's apparent to me that being an accepted color isn't the critical deciding factor. I guess it's kind of confusing and there are some details that just don't seem to add up when I really think about it LOL.

 

[kathyinmo]

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I believe you are correct..... they become Easter Eggers, no longer Ameraucanas, because they do not breed true. An APA recognized breed must breed true.

 

[cjwaldon]

I've been wondering the same thing! With dogs, if you cross pure breed to pure breed, you get pure breed. You may have some some show quality and some pet quality, but all the offspring are still pure breed. So why is this different with Ameracuanas? It seems as if the breeders are saying, unless it's show quality, then it's not an Ameraucana. If there is something else in the mix, then yes, call it an Easter Egger mixed breed. I would think that Ameraucana x Ameraucana = Ameraucana regardless of color or quality. But by current logic, Lavender Ameraucanas are really Easter Eggers. Oh, and the chocolate some are trying to get - Easter Eggers!

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

Unless someone is claiming to have show birds what does it matter which one they call it.

 

[kathyinmo]

But by current logic, Lavender Ameraucanas are really Easter Eggers. Oh, and the chocolate some are trying to get - Easter Eggers!

TRUE! Yes, they are. Since they are working on being accepted as a new variety, I believe it is acceptable to call them "Lavender Ameraucana projects."

I am no expert, but this is just what I gather from reading and chatting. I do know that they must breed true to be an APA accepted "breed," which of course, our beautiful Easter Eggers do not do. I like both Ameraucanas and Easter Eggers, personally.

 

[Frost Homestead]

Unless someone is claiming to have show birds what does it matter which one they call it.

My issue with it is mostly because they're spreading disinfo. and will possibly be selling their chicks or hatching eggs as Ameraucanas, which really sucks for those of us who want *real* Ameraucanas. Just like if someone told you that the chicks you're buying are GLW you would expect the chicks to grow up to be GLW, not mixes of GLW and game birds, or GLW mixed with some other breed.

I just think people should be honest about what their birds *are* and are not. If you know your birds are easter eggers and you go around calling them purebred Ameraucanas you're only adding to the confusion, and in my opinion,y ou're being just as dishonest as I would be if I went around selling my quarters as silver pieces.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

But it is the same breed... Quality is the only difference....

Same with every other breed hatchery sell.

 

[Frost Homestead]

But it is the same breed... Quality is the only difference....

Same with every other breed hatchery sell.

but it's not the same breed. (technically EE are not a breed but a mix of breeds)

you can't get purebred Ameraucanas from a hatchery. Ameraucanas from a reputable breeder are not mixed with other breeds and when you hatch the eggs you would know what color all the chicks would be.

my friend has easter eggers. his birds carry at least one copy of the blue egg gene, but they have been bred and mixed with other breeds so they are no longer able to produce chicks that breed true and their chicks will come out in a hodge-podge of patterns and colors.

 

[Shane17]

agreed

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

The history of the breed says otherwise...