Everything is on fire.

[Ab1010]

I'm so sorry to hear for those stuck around these fires. We've been getting hazy conditions for days outside of California and Oregon because of the terrible fires so I can only imagine how hazardous it is for those that are living there.

Wildfires are scary and we have wildfire season here every year. Most people I think shrug it off and think an evacuation will never happen to them, but that's far from the truth. Always be prepared for a wildfire - they can happen just about anywhere. I remember when we had a bad one close to use one year, people were trying to evacuate and there were lines to get out. People brought trailers and kept trying to go back to get horses, goats, cows, pigs, etc. and law enforcement was not wanting to let people back in. Some people went in anyway for their animals, of course at their own risk. There were animals that got bad burns and some that didn't make it because they couldn't get them out in time. This was a rough year, I can imagine even more so for those with homes and animals that were lost.

I have heard of people letting their animals to go to escape. In some situations, they find a safe haven and come home when it's all over, but it depends on how fierce the fire is and where all it is burning. I would say a horse or something may be more likely to survive than a chicken.


I will continue praying that everything will be okay!

Someone I know has had to let his friends family come stay with him because they were on level 2 evacuation and after twenty minutes his whole house was burnt down.. they managed to get the animals out but everything else gone. It can happen so fast there is nothing you can do. Its a fearful time.. every year more fires and every year more loss..

 

[Lids]

My friend caught someone starting a fire and has pictures to prove it. Alot of these fires are started by people. Whatever their connections are or aren't to each other we don't know but they are not all random or on accident.

Makes me sick.

 

[MotherOHens]

I'm glad you are

I'm glad you are open to judging the validity of what you hear. Here's more food for thought:

I explored what you presented and there seems to be a good chance that one person who had been arrested might also be a BLM supporter.

He is NOT any BLM leader in Portland.

I didn't say I knew all the causes of the fires. I didn't say that NO PERSON was culpable.

I said-- 'NO WAY did the BLM Leadership cause THIS'

And I was correct.

FYI: Not sure why some random tweets or facebook pages qualify as anything more than opinion pieces.
And yes, if the police have rumors called in, there is still an obligation to investigate so.. yes, that sort of thing might be found on a scanner. That's a part of investigation, not fact. One needs a court for such matter, not a cop- sorry!

As for that one dude who happens to support BLM, you aren't actually using the fact he supports that as a justification that he acted on BEHALF of the movement, are you..?

I mean...IF you'd do that... if anyone did that, it'd be a false equivalency, a logic fallacy, where two unrelated things which are coincidental are used to fluff a disagreement because there's a desire to make someone or something look worse than it is, right?

Just like Florida Parkland mass murderer Nikolas Cruz is an ardent supporter of certain people and policies... Would that mean what he supported or who he supported would have been okay when he shot and killed 17 people..?

 

[MotherOHens]

@Nao57

Awww... Bless Your heart

 

[TwoCrows]

Great conversation in this thread! However let's try to keep politics out of this please, we understand your frustration with government policies however BYC frowns upon subjects that fire up our members and politics is one of those subjects.

So carry on discussing the fires, the west is ensconced in a bad fire season, people, livestock, homes, etc... are all being threatened. Everyone please be safe out there, avoid breathing in too much acrid air and if need be, please evacuate. Do not go down with the ship! Stay safe!!

-BYC Staff

 

[Aquatic_blue]

Someone I know has had to let his friends family come stay with him because they were on level 2 evacuation and after twenty minutes his whole house was burnt down.. they managed to get the animals out but everything else gone. It can happen so fast there is nothing you can do. Its a fearful time.. every year more fires and every year more loss..

Wow, 20 minutes. That's quite a short time frame. I'm glad he and his animals were out, but losing your home is devastating. No amount of money can always replace a home and the memories inside it.

It is scary! I agree. Evacuating comes with so much uncertainty.

 

[Floof]

I explored what you presented and there seems to be a good chance that one person who had been arrested might also be a BLM supporter.

He is NOT any BLM leader in Portland.

I didn't say I knew all the causes of the fires. I didn't say that NO PERSON was culpable.

I said-- 'NO WAY did the BLM Leadership cause THIS'

And I was correct.

FYI: Not sure why some random tweets or facebook pages qualify as anything more than opinion pieces.
And yes, if the police have rumors called in, there is still an obligation to investigate so.. yes, that sort of thing might be found on a scanner. That's a part of investigation, not fact. One needs a court for such matter, not a cop- sorry!

As for that one dude who happens to support BLM, you aren't actually using the fact he supports that as a justification that he acted on BEHALF of the movement, are you..?

I mean...IF you'd do that... if anyone did that, it'd be a false equivalency, a logic fallacy, where two unrelated things which are coincidental are used to fluff a disagreement because there's a desire to make someone or something look worse than it is, right?

Just like Florida Parkland mass murderer Nikolas Cruz is an ardent supporter of certain people and policies... Would that mean what he supported or who he supported would have been okay when he shot and killed 17 people..?

My point was more that people are setting fires, these are not naturally occurring wild fires, and that numerous instances have occured across the state. I would like to provide more proof about this (police arrest records which are publicly available) if the staff agrees that it is not politically charged to do so. I think the more people who choose to look at the actual unbiased facts the better off we are as a society and I appreciate someone who is willing and able to change their opinion when presented with information that counters their preconceptions.

 

[Shezadandy]

Happy to report that we're now back in the "normal" category (off the evacuation level map) having not had to make the hard choices- this time. There is rain in the forecast but it's not the days of soaking rain we need, so while the pressure is off for the moment, it's still not 'safe'. The big 'Riverside' fire is still underway and the air is still ... bleck ... but the cooler temperatures have helped quite a bit.

 

[MotherOHens]

The NY Times is not credible and lies. Its controlling interest is owned by an anti-American Mexican Billionaire (oligarch?) who has strong cartel ties and who many are afraid to even say anything about.

This is why the NY Times will repeatedly circulate disinformation on important topics. This is also fact not fiction.

Also, the Washington Post does similar stuff and began doing hatchet jobs on Christian churches periodically after it became owned by Jeff Bezzos. It didn't do this before he bought it a few years ago.

This is also partly how much of the news media in this country now work; as propaganda. They cannot be trusted as sources. And if you use them as sources people will take it as a joke now.

And this stuff about BLM claims and others. These things are really happening. And you didn't listen when it was stated openly and something the person saw on their own news, not as a hearsay. But you tried to make it sound like their comment was hearsay and that they didn't know what they were talking about. That's not cool.

Stuff like this is really happening.

For example, people heard the NFAC leaders claims of his going to war against whites.

And there were claims by others also.

And then there were all the arsonists that were caught in the areas with fires. Literally dozens of arsonists caught now. That's real.

Basically, our news media, is so censored that almost nobody really understands what's going on. Putting our head in the sand does NOT work, and is making it worse.

But you can know what's going on if you get off the corporate run stuff.

This is also why censorship is doing more harm than good. Its only allowing the bad to have a voice while people that are good and trying to live good end up having no voice, because people are programmed to act in ways that can be sometimes silly.

I really think people should stop censoring what's going on. Its doing so much harm.

This is... a lot.

Firstly, I don't disagree with you that news these days IS very partisan. It HAS generally become more difficult to determine the story in relation to the spin they would like you to believe. I couldn't agree with you more in that way.

And even if the Times is biased, why would anyone then believe a facebook or twitter rumor? Doesn't that seem counterintuitive and rather foolish by default? I mean... seriously!

People have to take responsibility when they ADD to the disinformation.

Piling on to rumors and spreading them because they heard on FB or Twitter or Insta or TT or wherever-- UNVERIFIED and UNPROVEN RUMOR does NOT help the situation, does it? It might add negatively to it.

What if the same person who heard and believed that a BLM leader caused this decides to drive their car into someone with a BLM shirt On..? What if they decide that because they heard there was a connection-- and who gives a HOOT if there is any validity or truth behind it--but they decide they should 'do something about those bleeping bleep activists who caused this destruction..?

You think these people don't exist? They seem to be EVERYWHERE. No one needs proof, they heard it from 'Bob down the street' so it must be so! Smh

And-- if the counter point you are attempting is-- they heard it on their news that BLM caused this-- I would say-- -- so news is propaganda but they believe THAT one?!
Umm... Well... Get better information before sensationalizing Misinformation-- You aren't helping.

Censorship? (slow shrugs) Not sure that has anything to do with this. I do not see a correlation.

 

[TwoCrows]

This thread seems to have crossed the line into strictly political chat now, the Staff has decided it's best to close it.

Thank you to all who participated.

-BYC Staff