Faverolles Thread

[sandiklaws]

what dose beard have any thing do with a egg\meat bird witch was it original purpose

It is part of the original breed type, therefore it needs to be preserved or you are not working on improving and are detracting from the breed. There is a lot of work to be done still to bring them back to what they once were in regards to meat and egg production, but if the breed type takes a beating to get there, you could wind up with something you could no longer truly call a Faverolles.

If you want tons of meat and lots of big eggs right away, either buy from a breeder that has improved these traits already (and if you find them, please let me know how to contact them) or select another breed that has them. It sounds harsh, but the last thing this breed needs is another breeder that keeps things to breed that should have been culled. This is a breed that loses ground quickly when not bred to the standard because of it's composite make-up. Bad enough the hatcheries do it.

I do process my culls rather then sell them, so while this trait is important enough for me to be concerned about it, I still will only retain/grow out birds worthy of being said to be an improvement on previous generations regarding type. This means beardless chicks, bad toes, poor vigor and other easy to identify faults get culled at the incubator. I do try to produce a minimum of 500 chicks a year to work with, and a full third of those are culled before 5 weeks of age, with only the pullets being sold/given away for backyard layers. This gives me enough material to go over to select only the best for grow out. Personally I feel if I do not select from the maximum number of birds I can produce, well then I won't be able to make any real progress.

I am doing an outcross project (meat line of Dorkings) to try to improve the meat qualities of one of my pens, but those birds will not be used in any other pens until I get 8 good Faverolles true to type/color generations out of them. This does not mean I will not use birds from my other pens to improve upon the crossbreeds type, it just means they will not be considered close enough to pure fav for using in my breeding pens for a LONG time, something that I do not expect to have until 2018 or so...

 

[keesmom]

what dose beard have any thing do with a egg\meat bird witch was it original purpose

I don't understand your argument. The original purpose of just about every LF breed of chicken ever developed was for eggs/meat. At some point people decided they wanted certain traits in a breed, bred specifically for those traits until they bred true and eventually developed a standard for that breed. Combs, skin color, leg color, number of toes, feather color and patterns have nothing to do with egg/meat production but each is detailed in every breed's Standard of Perfection. That is what judges compare show entries to, and determine which best matches the SOP. It is also what breeders should strive to produce.

It so happens the Faverolles SOP includes beards and muffs. Lack of either is a DQ.

 

[chickendales]

you all sleep good knowing i do not breed i dont breed this breed i have a friend that dose and sense she new to breed i thought i ask for her because i know how rude people can be and sense i dont care what people thinks of me i ask ? that newbies are afraid to ask

 

[bruceha2000]

When dealing with a breed that needs conservation, it is imperative that breeders work toward goals of preserving original breed type and function. A wise saying is that there is no "holding ground" where breeding poultry are concerned; you are always either improving or detracting. So as a breeder you have to ask yourself "Am I improving?" with each and every bird retained for parenting future generations.

Here, here! I'm not breeding but I fully agree with this sentiment. Think of English Bulldogs. So bred for wide shoulders that they would be extinct now if not for veterinarians and Cesarean Section births. They have chronic problems related to their smashed in faces. Breeders of ANY animal should know the base purpose of the breed and not keep "stretching" a feature to "improve" the breed.

 

[bruceha2000]

you all sleep good knowing i do not breed i dont breed this breed i have a friend that dose and sense she new to breed i thought i ask for her because i know how rude people can be and sense i dont care what people thinks of me i ask ? that newbies are afraid to ask

If your friend wants to breed Faverolles for the purpose of bringing it back, I would suggest they join some of the "fanciers" forums. I'm sure if they introduce themselves as a newbie interested in doing things right, they will get a very positive response and a LOT of assistance with good information.

 

[keesmom]

you all sleep good knowing i do not breed i dont breed this breed i have a friend that dose and sense she new to breed i thought i ask for her because i know how rude people can be and sense i dont care what people thinks of me i ask ? that newbies are afraid to ask

There are a LOT of new people on this thread, so she shouldn't be shy.

If she wants to show a copy of the SOP is a must.

 

[sandiklaws]

Also understand that advice, information and examples are in no way being hard on someone... an unasked question is the only stupid question. We all had to start somewhere, and without guidance none of us would be where we are today. I am sorry if I came across as being harsh, but sometimes the truth can sting if it is not what you want to hear. If your friend still is interested in raising favs, she should absolutely contact some of the folks on here that have been breeding a while for advice, and buy an SOP to study.

 

[Shaun L M]

Hi all,
I'm brand new here. I have a friend that is a past sec of the APA so here's the skinny on what one can show.
ANYTHING you wanna. BUT the birds would only be judged as an unrecognized variety of the breed so the only placing they would be allowed would be Best of and Res of variety. Thus, in this case, it would be called salmon (any color) beardless faverolles.
Did this person get eggs from that mean hateful wicked weezer down south cause boi my eggs certainly popped some out too. I do agree though that it's not something one wants to promote if seriously breeding for show stock. I even hatched a 10 headed 1 toed chick, same source. Fortunately it died so i didn't have to start culling on the heads as to which one would be the widest. Talk about too closely bred! Sandi, here's the apology u've had coming......-) I've heard rumor of a new faverolles forum. I think Jeanine will know first when it's up. The electricity has been turned all the way up, hmm I wonder how long before the bulbs actually glow here

. From reading different post byc seems to be like Oz. People come and go so quickly here.. Patty Broner could have shown her Seminole - salmon beardless faverolles she hatched out of eggs she got from my source that had them - unexpectedly. Patty could ya share a pic of Seminole? She looked very similar to what has been posted here. There is another french breed (darned if i can remember) that is salmon and were actually beardless and not featherlegged from 1 region over from the town named faverolles. Anybody remember?
Grins and giggles.
Shaun Leslie Matthews

 

[Cloverleaf Farm]

Quote: VERY well said Sandi!!

 

[Cloverleaf Farm]

Hi all,
I'm brand new here. I have a friend that is a past sec of the APA so here's the skinny on what one can show.
ANYTHING you wanna. BUT the birds would only be judged as an unrecognized variety of the breed so the only placing they would be allowed would be Best of and Res of variety. Thus, in this case, it would be called salmon (any color) beardless faverolles.
Did this person get eggs from that mean hateful wicked weezer down south cause boi my eggs certainly popped some out too. I do agree though that it's not something one wants to promote if seriously breeding for show stock. I even hatched a 10 headed 1 toed chick, same source. Fortunately it died so i didn't have to start culling on the heads as to which one would be the widest. Talk about too closely bred! Sandi, here's the apology u've had coming......-) I've heard rumor of a new faverolles forum. I think Jeanine will know first when it's up. The electricity has been turned all the way up, hmm I wonder how long before the bulbs actually glow here

. From reading different post byc seems to be like Oz. People come and go so quickly here.. Patty Broner could have shown her Seminole - salmon beardless faverolles she hatched out of eggs she got from my source that had them - unexpectedly. Patty could ya share a pic of Seminole? She looked very similar to what has been posted here. There is another french breed (darned if i can remember) that is salmon and were actually beardless and not featherlegged from 1 region over from the town named faverolles. Anybody remember?
Grins and giggles.
Shaun Leslie Matthews

You hateful wicked goofball!!