Faverolles Thread

[keesmom]

Rock N' Faverolles :

Actually the colors Light, Columbian, and Ermine get mixed up. It depends on the breed. Ermine on any breed is the same however, the same with columbians. Before I confuse you further, let me explain. Ermine is different than columbian in that the saddle on ermines lack the black stipes. Columbians on any breed have black striping in the saddle. Light is more confusing because Light Sussex is refering to the Ermine color, and Light Brahmas refer to the columbian color. (although the columbian color name didn't come around until long after the light brahmas). If I confused anyone, let me know and I'll try to restate it more clearly.

David

I did wonder why columbian wyandottes and light brahmas had the black in the saddle feathers but my sussex don't. Now I understand!​

 

[thechickonthehill]

Rock N' Faverolles :

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Actually the colors Light, Columbian, and Ermine get mixed up. It depends on the breed. Ermine on any breed is the same however, the same with columbians. Before I confuse you further, let me explain. Ermine is different than columbian in that the saddle on ermines lack the black stipes. Columbians on any breed have black striping in the saddle. Light is more confusing because Light Sussex is refering to the Ermine color, and Light Brahmas refer to the columbian color. (although the columbian color name didn't come around until long after the light brahmas). If I confused anyone, let me know and I'll try to restate it more clearly.

David

Actually that makes your first explanation "more clearer" for me, anyway.

 

[Chickie'sMoma]

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Henrys got some gorgeous birds! I'm also working on lavenders, and my first 'visual' lav hen (09 hatch) is now laying, so fingers crossed. I also have white, splash, black and barred bantam Favs. Of course the Barrd program is still very much a "project" like my lavenders. I've hatched 2 visual lavender chicks from a mixed pro-pen so far, and what *I CALL* a "lavender splash" hen (also 09 hatch) she's showing lav on white in splash pattern. I'm just now able to kinda catch up on this thread, and am interested in learning more about some of the other BYC'rs projects and progress with colors.

Henry, can you update with some genetic info or pics? Will be sending you a PM shortly

Misty
Edited to correct spelling and my usual 'flub-ups'

are you the one advertising on ebay the mixed color project favs?

i was able to acquire a sweet cuckoo marans/faverolles cross pullet who got the barred pattern but the traits of the favs! i'm hoping she will be able to produce some chicks with all the qualities of the favs but keeping that cuckoo/barred pattern when i cross her with one of my fav roos!

btw: Henry has left for a vacation so it may be a little while before he can get back to you with your question. i'm just wondering if he'll be trying to sneak any favs back with him this time!

 

[Chickie'sMoma]

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earlobe color. yes it can change a bit.....if i were still hell bent election on it i could kill all but one hen. simmastic had red. if u have beards galore coupled w muff a judge doesn't go looking. we had one judge at lucasville that dq'd over 25 lf. a bird i was loaning to craig ciola was the only one he didn't dq. the comments from this judge were not exactly what one should hear a judge say out loud. daid adkins was horrified. when the fav breeders came back from lunch he came over and said - you guys don't kill me. i said you didn't do it but when you told me who was doing the continental birds i was a bit concerned. i would never schedule a main competitor in that classification to judge it w/o prejudice. that judge was a bit tired of having his spickled spackled hamburger birds beat. do ya think he may have had an agenda?????

you can use that thought this way. if you do have a very dark hen and you want to make the result lighter than use a lighter male it works. the dark can be either too dark on the salmon color parts or close to mahogony w/o the males being mahogony. then you take each generation as you feel you need to. did that make any sense?
peter

ah, thank you for that bit of info! Kiva has quite a beard and muff on her and it is very hard to see her earlobes through it all! Mosey has a decent beard and muff to compete with Kiva but his color in the wing bows is something to work on and i'm hoping Kiva's dark color will help any future offspring. the one chick i have out of their crossing so far is looking wonderful and i'm hoping the little pullet will be a looker when she gets older! i just worry over those earlobes being the wrong color!

 

[keesmom]

I PM'ed you GypsyChic, but in case you missed it Henry is on vacation. You should also post what you've done over the past 5 years! Dick, Leisha and David can help out if you need any guidance.

My last hatch is finishing up now. I had 14 out of 17 (well, one is still zipping at the moment). Five more F1s from the Sussex X Fav cross, 7 blue and black bantams and 2 surprise silkie chicks. A while back I was away and our neighbor put a silkie pullet in with the blue bantam pair by accident. I didn't even know she was laying and assumed the eggs were from the fav. Well, they aren't! I will post pics tomorrow.

It looks like there may be 2 blue and 5 black bantam chicks. Oh well, I had hoped one splash would sneak in.

 

[GypsyChic]

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Keesmom: This is what I sent in a private message, and have been asked to post it here. My genetic 'math' isnt the best, but MAYBE you all can understand what I've done. Here goes...

I've got a couple splash hens I hatched purely by accident from one of my fav 'project pens' last year. I kept them as a 'genetic base' to build on for producing future splash. The one hen (that I'm calling a 'Lav' splash) is pure snow white with lavender/self blue color/patern down one side of her neck & shoulder. Other girl appears a bit vanilla-white with a lite 'dusty' splash pattern. Soon as I can get some pics, I'll load them to photobucket and post to the list. I'd like to see what Dick, Henry and others think about them, and get more info, input and opinions. **I May need to 'sweet talk' Henry outta some of his splash eggs** to improve the color/pat on my gals.

Now, the lavender...Wow, well simply put, it took me forever to get my 1st visual pure lavender hen. She was the result of a 5th gen hatch. Your gonna think I'm nuts when its all said and done LOL, but we all have to "Start Somewhere", right??

so please hang in there with me and I'll do my best to explain. I started with a lav d'uccle over a blk silkie. Took the best shaped/colored birds I had to work with and crossed them together in order to keep the 5 toes and beards/muffs. From those chicks I picked what I felt were genetically/visually the best, put them in w/blue salmon roo, then bred their offspring together, and the 4th generation back to my roo. That produced my very first solid lav hen who's 5 toed, full beard/muff and has very nice shape, considering she's got pure MUTT behind her from 3-4yrs ago...lol. Now I'm breeding the lav girl (and hatchmates) from this entire generation together, hoping to produce a higher % of lavenders. Will see what happens, it may or may not work. I'm also using a black fav hen in this group that I hope will contribute.

My Barred program is so new that I'm just now comfortable with setting eggs. I started with a barred bantam cochin X hen who was bearded and had 5 toes. I will assume she is either silkie or fav mix, so I'm hoping this trait will be reproduced in her offspring. Right now she's in with my blue roo, but I'm hoping to find a nice black boy or??? I need more genetics to work with in order to progress. I would LOVE ANY INPUT any of you may have. Everthing I've done so far has been a "Guessing Game", so advice from you genetic gurus, suggestions, hints, ideas, are all welcome. I plan to take pics this weekend so I can post what I have so far. I've probably made it harder on myself by crossing all the genetics, but as stated above, 'we all have to start somewhere".

I hope I explained this all correctly and didnt confuse anyone...I confuse myself most of the time, soooo

(and usually STAY that way, ha!)

 

[faverolles]

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Keesmom: This is what I sent in a private message, and have been asked to post it here. My genetic 'math' isnt the best, but MAYBE you all can understand what I've done. Here goes...

I've got a couple splash hens I hatched purely by accident from one of my fav 'project pens' last year. I kept them as a 'genetic base' to build on for producing future splash. The one hen (that I'm calling a 'Lav' splash) is pure snow white with lavender/self blue color/patern down one side of her neck & shoulder. Other girl appears a bit vanilla-white with a lite 'dusty' splash pattern. Soon as I can get some pics, I'll load them to photobucket and post to the list. I'd like to see what Dick, Henry and others think about them, and get more info, input and opinions. **I May need to 'sweet talk' Henry outta some of his splash eggs** to improve the color/pat on my gals.

Now, the lavender...Wow, well simply put, it took me forever to get my 1st visual pure lavender hen. She was the result of a 5th gen hatch. Your gonna think I'm nuts when its all said and done LOL, but we all have to "Start Somewhere", right??

so please hang in there with me and I'll do my best to explain. I started with a lav d'uccle over a blk silkie. Took the best shaped/colored birds I had to work with and crossed them together in order to keep the 5 toes and beards/muffs. From those chicks I picked what I felt were genetically/visually the best, put them in w/blue salmon roo, then bred their offspring together, and the 4th generation back to my roo. That produced my very first solid lav hen who's 5 toed, full beard/muff and has very nice shape, considering she's got pure MUTT behind her from 3-4yrs ago...lol. Now I'm breeding the lav girl (and hatchmates) from this entire generation together, hoping to produce a higher % of lavenders. Will see what happens, it may or may not work. I'm also using a black fav hen in this group that I hope will contribute.

My Barred program is so new that I'm just now comfortable with setting eggs. I started with a barred bantam cochin X hen who was bearded and had 5 toes. I will assume she is either silkie or fav mix, so I'm hoping this trait will be reproduced in her offspring. Right now she's in with my blue roo, but I'm hoping to find a nice black boy or??? I need more genetics to work with in order to progress. I would LOVE ANY INPUT any of you may have. Everthing I've done so far has been a "Guessing Game", so advice from you genetic gurus, suggestions, hints, ideas, are all welcome. I plan to take pics this weekend so I can post what I have so far. I've probably made it harder on myself by crossing all the genetics, but as stated above, 'we all have to start somewhere".

I hope I explained this all correctly and didnt confuse anyone...I confuse myself most of the time, soooo

(and usually STAY that way, ha!)

That's one way to start. With my large lav project, I was able to acquire a male lavender orp, not the best quality but I needed to insert the lavender gene from somewhere. I began breeding him to three salmon Faverolles hens and three black Faverolles hens. I don't know where my thinking came from but I had it all wrong. I figured seeing that lav was recessive the salmon chicks would come out yellow and the black chicks would come out black. Shows you what I know about genetics.

I hatched 43 chicks total. Not that I need that many. It seems right now the black chicks from the salmons are showing some leakage, which is great. The black chicks should stay all black. I'm planning on keeping maybe two cockerels of the salmon line and two cockerels from the black line, and probably all the pullets for now. I have to many cockerels out there and I need to purge through them, hopefully today. These chicks are 50% Faverolles. Next year I'll breed the black salmons together and the blacks together. 1/4 of the chicks should come out lavender which will be 50% Faverolles. The following year I will take the best lavenders that are closer to Faverolles type and breed back to the salmons and breed back to the blacks. Again the chicks will be all black and 75% Faverolles. I need to breed those chicks together and hopefully get 1/4 lavenders. Hopefully they will have better Faverolles type. I might have to do the whole process over again leaning more to Faverolles type. Eventually I'll get to the point where I can breed lavender salmon to lavender salmon, and breed lavender to lavender and get all lavender chicks.
Here is the process I'm planning on doing in a nut shell:
lavender male x black hens
All black chicks - 1/2 Faverolles
Breed brother to sister 1/4 should be lavender - 1/2 Faverolles
Keep best type lavender chicks
Breed lavender back to black hens
All chicks will be black - 3/4 Faverolles
Breed brother to sister 1/4 should be lavender - 3/4 Faverolles
Keep best type lavender chicks
Breed lavender back to black hens
All chicks will be black 7/8 Faverolles
Breed brother to sister 1/4 should be lavender - 7/8 Faverolles
Keep best type lavender chicks
At this point I'm hoping I don't have to do it again, it will depend on how the type is. Here I should be able to breed Lavender to lavender, again, keeping best Faverolles type birds. For me, living in Massachusetts, our winters are bad. To cold to breed early. I'm looking at a six year project.
If everything goes my way, next year I'm planning to begin a bantam lavender salmon Faverolles project and a bantam lavender Faverolles project. Another six year project.
Hopefully I live that long.

Dick

 

[faverolles]

Here is the so called male orp I used to get the lavender gene.

Next two pictures are some of the hens he was bred to.


Here is another picture of the male I used.

Dick

 

[Cloverleaf Farm]

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Wow - he IS a scraggly looking thing, isn't he? LOL Do what ya gotta! I love how you say "so called"...

...bet he'll be super handsome after a good moult though!!

 

[faverolles]

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Wow - he IS a scraggly looking thing, isn't he? LOL Do what ya gotta! I love how you say "so called"...

...bet he'll be super handsome after a good moult though!!

I know what you mean. Orpington??????? No matter. I just needed the lavender gene from a large fowl bird and this is all I could find, I WILL make this into Faverolles.....It will take a while, but nothing comes easy.

Dick