Faverolles Thread

[mame1616]

Rock N' Faverolles :

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In my opinion, I think the lacing needs to be more defined. The lacing on blue birds is not blue, but actually black. Is 'puny' her name, or is she small for an orp? The lighter the base color, the more black the lacing will look. Either way, I like my birds to have the thicker lacing the way they are supposed to be. Most people settle for a faint edging, but that's not what the standard calls for, and I believe the more distinct the lacing the prettier the bird.

David

Ah - Thanks! "Puny" refers to the post by buffbeauty when we were talking about the orps from England. She said they made her American orps look puny. Of course they will, when standing next to those non-APA-Standard birds! This one is only six months in the pic, and her sister, a splash, is a little bigger. They are both of good size, and each needs to be a little broader in the chest, but we'll see how they turn out. Either way, they are so beautiful to look at! Judge I spoke to said a lot of the English types are winning because that is the look they like, which is crappy for those of us who have the American version, especially since we live in America, not England! Sorry, does that sound too annoyed?

Back to the lacing - might be a dumb question, but is the blue variety the same - color, lacing, etc - on all breeds, or does each breed have their own version of what "blue" is?​

 

[EweSheep]

Sometimes it is a shame that we "Americanized" our birds rather than try to go for the English type birds which they were supposed to look like. I think the APA needs to remember OR the judges themselves needed to be reminded about the original standard of perfection rather than go with the fads of the day.

Good examples would the GSD and Collies, fads come and go with tweeking and twisting the standards as they go.

I do not think most of us want Faverolles to look like Cochins or Langstans but a happy medium between the two with some of the trademark signs that the Faverolles are well known for.

 

[faverolles]

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In my opinion, I think the lacing needs to be more defined. The lacing on blue birds is not blue, but actually black. Is 'puny' her name, or is she small for an orp? The lighter the base color, the more black the lacing will look. Either way, I like my birds to have the thicker lacing the way they are supposed to be. Most people settle for a faint edging, but that's not what the standard calls for, and I believe the more distinct the lacing the prettier the bird.

David

Ah - Thanks! "Puny" refers to the post by buffbeauty when we were talking about the orps from England. She said they made her American orps look puny. Of course they will, when standing next to those non-APA-Standard birds! This one is only six months in the pic, and her sister, a splash, is a little bigger. They are both of good size, and each needs to be a little broader in the chest, but we'll see how they turn out. Either way, they are so beautiful to look at! Judge I spoke to said a lot of the English types are winning because that is the look they like, which is crappy for those of us who have the American version, especially since we live in America, not England! Sorry, does that sound too annoyed?

Back to the lacing - might be a dumb question, but is the blue variety the same - color, lacing, etc - on all breeds, or does each breed have their own version of what "blue" is?

I feel in every breed the blue versions reacts differently. The reason I stated the different breedings of the blues is so you can compare how the blues would react. I know a gentleman who raises old english bantams and he gets his best blues from splash on blue, this is why I stated the different breedings earlier, and besides, how many blue bantams are around, not many. Who knows what these breedings will give you. The picture of the Adulusian is the perfect blue with beautiful lacing. I believe all blue breeds derived from this breed. You can't beat them. Years ago there was a gentleman in the Poultry Press that raised large and bantam blue Adulusians. I wanted to order some of the bantams and cross them into my bantam blues to see if the better lacing would hold true. I would have only done a side breeding and to perfect it would have probably taken 10 years. The challengers would have been getting back to Faverolles type, white earlobes to red and white eggs to brown. If I was younger I would probably undertake the project HA. That would be a tough one.
On the blue orps. In England they changed the standard for them, because most of the breeders were breeding for bigger and fluffier birds. They got away from the original production orp which was bred for meat and eggs to a bird now that has more feathers. Don't get me wrong, they are still huge birds. When I went to England it seemed most of the breeds are bigger than the American breeds. To bad its so expensive to get them over here.

Dick

 

[Chic-Zebo Girl]

Changing the subject, please forgive me am a newbie here if this should be posted somewhere else.
I've been listening in for months now on the faverolles thread....

I have 3 LF salmon faverolles hens 32 weeks old, none are laying yet. Is that normal for the favs? Are they slow to start laying?

They have a good diet, free choice layer pellets, BOSS, oyster shell, access to outside run, insulated coop, plenty of fresh water.

 

[Rock N' Faverolles]

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We didn't Americanize the Orps, the english just changed them. Origionally the 'English' orps looked just like ours does today. Research the history of the breed and you'll see it.

 

[Rock N' Faverolles]

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Puny, that makes sense now. I understand your frustration with that, but Judges do that all the time with different breeds. They go with what they like instead of what the standard says.

For the blue color and lacing, idealy all the blue varieties are the same. On the other hand, getting them to look like the true 'Andalusian blue' is very hard and takes lots of years of breeding usually. That's the reason blue birds overall, aren't very popular. They are popular with the backyard people, but not exhibitors as most exhibitors care about an easy win and with blue birds, there very rarely is an easy win.

 

[Rock N' Faverolles]

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This is why I said ask anybody who breeds blues and you'll get several different answers. I actually made a Andalusian cross onto a white faverolles hen (large fowl) and got three decent chicks, but only 1 survived. I think I'll try that cross again this year and see if I can get a couple dozen hatched out. As for splash x blue, or black x blue , or blue on blue, each side has it's arguments. I did however find an article in an old poultry press from the late 70's that was a very interesting read. He was one of the most well known Andalusian breeders of the time, and he said he had never, never, never, did any matings other than blue x blue and then he went on to explain why. I think it would be wise to try it. I've had good luck with it. But if you do, you have to do it for at least three breeding seasons to see the results, it can't be a one and done thing. Compare an Andalusian with any other blue breed, I have never seen one look as nice as an Andalusian, but then again, that's just my opinion.

David

 

[Rock N' Faverolles]

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If they are from a hatchery, I think they should be laying by now, if they are from a breeder of the standard (as I call them), then they should start laying anytime now I would think. It may even be a little longer. I would suggest lights if you don't have them on them. If you want them to lay better, but it's not a needed thing to get them to lay. It just helps.

David

 

[keesmom]

Rock N' Faverolles :

This is why I said ask anybody who breeds blues and you'll get several different answers. I actually made a Andalusian cross onto a white faverolles hen (large fowl) and got three decent chicks, but only 1 survived. I think I'll try that cross again this year and see if I can get a couple dozen hatched out. As for splash x blue, or black x blue , or blue on blue, each side has it's arguments. I did however find an article in an old poultry press from the late 70's that was a very interesting read. He was one of the most well known Andalusian breeders of the time, and he said he had never, never, never, did any matings other than blue x blue and then he went on to explain why. I think it would be wise to try it. I've had good luck with it. But if you do, you have to do it for at least three breeding seasons to see the results, it can't be a one and done thing. Compare an Andalusian with any other blue breed, I have never seen one look as nice as an Andalusian, but then again, that's just my opinion.

David

I think that article may be online somewhere. If not that one another similar one. I'll see if I can find it again.​

 

[EweSheep]

Rock N' Faverolles :

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We didn't Americanize the Orps, the english just changed them. Origionally the 'English' orps looked just like ours does today. Research the history of the breed and you'll see it.

I know we didn't Americanized the Orps, its the looks that changed them and we decided to be "different" than the English. So our Orps here in the US are not much bigger or fluffier than the English Orps and we all wanted the English look on our Orps like yesterday. Well, the judges are not too keen on sudden changes.

Sometimes the English or UK get down to the nitty gritty of things right down the color of the shaft or quill of the feathers saying it should be dark, or light depending on what they want or try to breed for.

Like our Dutch Welsummers and German Welsummers, there are some degree of differences, one is darker than the other in plumage colors while others are more OE or production bird rather than the RIR brick body and they lacked the egg shell colors while we got the right color they are looking for and we lack the correct color of the shaft since ours were white while the UK said needs to be darker, like yellow or grey in color.​