Faverolles Thread

[chickendales]

IMHO, I agree with Henry. If I had a male that couldn't breed naturally I'd find another. But to each his own.

wouldnt you want know if it was because he was steil or just not doing the job she has had more one rooster now that hasnt done there job\steil

 

[chickendales]

IMHO, I agree with Henry. If I had a male that couldn't breed naturally I'd find another. But to each his own.

how do you now not just boy and girls being too fluffy

 

[Cloverleaf Farm]

Quote: Favs aren't supposed to be as fluffy as Cochins, so it shouldn't be a problem in the breed. If you have Favs that are so loosely feathered that they can't reproduce naturally (which is part of the definition of a heritage breed) then you have bigger issues with your flock than whether or not to AI.

Part of having a hardy breed is letting nature take it's course, IMO.

Yes, Henry, Duncan remains infertile, though he likes to try. LOL I have 3 salmon males and one blue salmon male, though I'm leaning away from the blue salmon a bit...haven't cut it out altogether, because those males are just SO gorgeous, but I'm not breeding for it specifically either...and he will have a pet home with us until nature takes him from us. He's the best!! A couple of pics, for those that have never seen him....

 

[keesmom]

how do you now not just boy and girls being too fluffy

Favs aren't supposed to be as fluffy as Cochins, so it shouldn't be a problem in the breed. If you have Favs that are so loosely feathered that they can't reproduce naturally (which is part of the definition of a heritage breed) then you have bigger issues with your flock than whether or not to AI.

As Cloverleaf stated the breed shouldn't be overly fluffy. If they are so fluffy they can't breed, then that's the reason to toss them out of the gene pool.

Besides, a hen with excessively loose feathers is also an indicator of a poor layer. Also something else not to propogate.

 

[thechickonthehill]

ok here is some new chick pic's!!!


my UofA chicks Houdans and Fav's... so far 13 of each...



and my finall total from the eggs i got from thechickonthehill there is 2 blacks 2 chicks with a darker redish tint to them and 3 normal yellow/white chicks...

Yay! So two from the mahogany project girls, 3 from the salmon pullet and 2 from the black pullets. Hopefully most of them turn out to be pullets.

 

[chickendales]

dose any one have frizzle faverolles

 

[keesmom]

dose any one have frizzle faverolles

Not that I know of. Some people are working on salmon colored silkies.

 

[Jesse Johns]

Non fertile male - as taught to me by Sharon Mehler, sometimes with some you may need to pluck the feathers around the vent on each sex so they can actually "connect". Same is practiced with some cochins and silkies that then were fertile w/o ai. Which (plucking) was a practice here with young males in specific. That was how I was successful utilizing 5 month old cockerels on older hens when I started breeding again briefly from '10 -'12. 5 gens in 2 1/2 yrs (stupid on my part). If using a cockerel on actual hens defined by age one needs to question whether a) he's had enough experience treading. b) older hens are not quite as "willing" or as easily intimidated as pullets in fact a hen some times will beat a cockerel up for even thinking about it until that hen accepts him. Food for thought.

There was an inclusion of my name in the conversation about comb points. I do not recall stating it was one of the last things I was concerned with. To the contrary. Starting in my 3rd generation of breeding faverolles my culling at the hatcher went like this. Toes, beards, feathering on outside of leg and then, as Jim Hall stated was utilized by older breeders, a lit magnifying glass. That continued until I had str8nd it out and was practiced as recent as '12. (It's ok Henry-))

Thank you both Patty and Jeanine for posting the pics. None of the males in question are even 8 months.... (not meant to be offensive at all) I think there's some expectation on a line that until 2010 had not been seen nor worked with by anyone else any where and only a small handful even currently since '03 that they should be more filled out at the current age. As stated many times, my birds do not mature as early as others but in the end at age 3 will be bigger, stouter and thicker than anyone else's I've ever seen. Most newer breeders just don't keep breeding stock around long enough to see it.

Britboi himself was 7 when he died. My very rich super thick/wide male Simm did not win until he was 3 - he went at age 6. Britgirl and Simmie were 8 and 9 when they died - Simmie in a feak accident - Britgirl during the holocaust of '11. I had a hen that won all over (LF CH several times) that was placed 1st repeatedly when I brought her back out to show at the age of 7 against 2 yr olds. She layed everyday up until her natural death at 10. What she left me from her last group of chicks at age 9 and briefly into 10 were invaluable. She was a gift from Sharon. After her 4th LF championship Sharon wanted her bird back. lol She was joking. Her name was Mamusa and is featured direct middle on my page of "Show Birds from the Past".

For those that show, you may know who the judge Tim Bowles from OH is. At one time he had a lf OE that was still laying everyday at 14. They can and as advised to me by Mr. Bud Hudson from IL "you keep a few excellent older birds to remind you of what a really nice one is and then if you have to try and recapture something you've lost along the way you can".... Because you still have them.

Jeanine - the top cockerel is a spitting image of his granddad Pubert when young - Daniel (another male I had), being by Rupert was more like his uncle Pubert. The second cockerel has his fathers (Marcel) wingbow coloring which at least did not turn claire after 9 months. Patty, yours would be the youngest of the group of eggs sent out in '12. Beards are impressive though.

It is correct that faverolles should not be as fluffy as cochins in the US. They are considered "soft feathered" in the UK. Even with the bit of British blood infused during the very late '90s and early into the 2000's the blood created in some strains some favs that would be considered too fluffy. As the stock I tried to move forward with in '10 would have been the closest relations to any of the British birds used at the time (two generations removed from it) some of the pullets (Cannabis, Adore Me, Daphne, whose pics are still up on my site) were in my opinion too fluffy. Kill over it? I never did and I've never known of a correlation to not laying as they should so I too can learn something even at my old age.-) This possibly is news some of the newer breeders may not have known that could explain some being too fluffy.

Salmon silkies were worked on by Valerie Hirvela several years ago. Valerie is a major past officer in several capacities for the Silkie Club. I do not know if she even has birds any more but they were getting almost there some 6 years ago. Frizzle, to my knowledge, has not but certainly would be interesting.

I'm pearled out for now.
Hope all are well and having fun.
JJ

 

[hcammack]

Non fertile male - as taught to me by Sharon Mehler, sometimes with some you may need to pluck the feathers around the vent on each sex so they can actually "connect". Same is practiced with some cochins and silkies that then were fertile w/o ai. Which (plucking) was a practice here with young males in specific. That was how I was successful utilizing 5 month old cockerels on older hens when I started breeding again briefly from '10 -'12. 5 gens in 2 1/2 yrs (stupid on my part). If using a cockerel on actual hens defined by age one needs to question whether a) he's had enough experience treading. b) older hens are not quite as "willing" or as easily intimidated as pullets in fact a hen some times will beat a cockerel up for even thinking about it until that hen accepts him. Food for thought.

There was an inclusion of my name in the conversation about comb points. I do not recall stating it was one of the last things I was concerned with. To the contrary. Starting in my 3rd generation of breeding faverolles my culling at the hatcher went like this. Toes, beards, feathering on outside of leg and then, as Jim Hall stated was utilized by older breeders, a lit magnifying glass. That continued until I had str8nd it out and was practiced as recent as '12. (It's ok Henry-))

Thank you both Patty and Jeanine for posting the pics. None of the males in question are even 8 months.... (not meant to be offensive at all) I think there's some expectation on a line that until 2010 had not been seen nor worked with by anyone else any where and only a small handful even currently since '03 that they should be more filled out at the current age. As stated many times, my birds do not mature as early as others but in the end at age 3 will be bigger, stouter and thicker than anyone else's I've ever seen. Most newer breeders just don't keep breeding stock around long enough to see it.

Britboi himself was 7 when he died. My very rich super thick/wide male Simm did not win until he was 3 - he went at age 6. Britgirl and Simmie were 8 and 9 when they died - Simmie in a feak accident - Britgirl during the holocaust of '11. I had a hen that won all over (LF CH several times) that was placed 1st repeatedly when I brought her back out to show at the age of 7 against 2 yr olds. She layed everyday up until her natural death at 10. What she left me from her last group of chicks at age 9 and briefly into 10 were invaluable. She was a gift from Sharon. After her 4th LF championship Sharon wanted her bird back. lol She was joking. Her name was Mamusa and is featured direct middle on my page of "Show Birds from the Past".

For those that show, you may know who the judge Tim Bowles from OH is. At one time he had a lf OE that was still laying everyday at 14. They can and as advised to me by Mr. Bud Hudson from IL "you keep a few excellent older birds to remind you of what a really nice one is and then if you have to try and recapture something you've lost along the way you can".... Because you still have them.

Jeanine - the top cockerel is a spitting image of his granddad Pubert when young - Daniel (another male I had), being by Rupert was more like his uncle Pubert. The second cockerel has his fathers (Marcel) wingbow coloring which at least did not turn claire after 9 months. Patty, yours would be the youngest of the group of eggs sent out in '12. Beards are impressive though.

It is correct that faverolles should not be as fluffy as cochins in the US. They are considered "soft feathered" in the UK. Even with the bit of British blood infused during the very late '90s and early into the 2000's the blood created in some strains some favs that would be considered too fluffy. As the stock I tried to move forward with in '10 would have been the closest relations to any of the British birds used at the time (two generations removed from it) some of the pullets (Cannabis, Adore Me, Daphne, whose pics are still up on my site) were in my opinion too fluffy. Kill over it? I never did and I've never known of a correlation to not laying as they should so I too can learn something even at my old age.-) This possibly is news some of the newer breeders may not have known that could explain some being too fluffy.

Salmon silkies were worked on by Valerie Hirvela several years ago. Valerie is a major past officer in several capacities for the Silkie Club. I do not know if she even has birds any more but they were getting almost there some 6 years ago. Frizzle, to my knowledge, has not but certainly would be interesting.

I'm pearled out for now.
Hope all are well and having fun.
JJ

Great Pearls JJ! Thanks for them. Yeah sorry about the comb points post. I should have just quoted what you said before or at least gone back and read over it haha. But I was to lazy to scroll back that far. So must have misinterpreted/ mistranslated your words haha.

 

[Jesse Johns]

Great Pearls JJ! Thanks for them. Yeah sorry about the comb points post. I should have just quoted what you said before or at least gone back and read over it haha. But I was to lazy to scroll back that far. So must have misinterpreted/ mistranslated your words haha.

Henry, Like I said...it was fine. We all can miss some times.-)
p
oh I meant JJ

lol