feed medicated vs non

I purchased a total of 8 ducks & 9 chicks almost 2 weeks ago. I was told the first bag of feed should be medicated "just in case" of sickness. I was recently told that medicated is not good for ducks. Anyone else heard of this? Also looking to add something they can fodder. Whats the best? Thinking wheat or soy, maybe oats? Thanks
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It's a myth!

I asked Purina the same thing and they said this:

Can Medicated Feed Be Used for Waterfowl?
Can medicated feed be given to ducks and geese? Many people say No. I will explain why I feel the answer is Yes.

First of all, there are four drugs (medicines) that are approved by the USDA for the use in ducks. These have been used successfully for years to control a variety of waterfowl diseases. They are Chlorotetracycline, Neomycin, Novobiocin and Rofenaid.


The bigger concern, however, is sacked feed sold at your local feed store. Some of these sacked feeds (especially starter feeds) have medications in them to control coccidiosis. Coccidiosis is an internal protozoa parasite that can harm chickens, turkeys, game birds and occasionally waterfowl. As coccidiosis is a common problem, and most people have chickens, the feed manufacturers will often include medication in starter feed to better control this disease. But what about waterfowl? Will it harm them?


Non-medicated Starter Feed by Ace Hi - though I would prefer a starter as a crumble, not a mash

We have contacted all the feed mills that we could find that make sacked poultry feed in the US. From material they have sent us or from their website, we have learned that these 29 mills make 59 different starter feeds for chickens, waterfowl and game birds. Of these 59 starter feeds, 19 have a medication in them to control coccidiosis.

Four drugs are used. Fifteen of the feeds contain Amprolium, 1 has Monensin, 1 has Lasolocid and 1 has BMD (Bacitracin methylene disalicylate).


Medicated Starter Feed with amprolium by Kalmbach Feeds

To investigate this further, I asked for the assistance of Dr. Larry McDougal of the University of Georgia and Dr. Alison Martin of the Livestock Conservancy. Both of these individuals have done extensive work with coccidiosis. They found research that had been done here in the United States and abroad on the effect of these four drugs on waterfowl. As Dr. McDougal said “Not one of these papers described any harmful effects to waterfowl except where the normal dosage was significantly overdosed.”


Non-medicated Grower feed by Southern States

Many of you have heard of Dave Holderread, of Holderread’s Waterfowl Farm in Oregon. Dave is an expert on waterfowl and an ultimate waterfowl breeder. He conducted research on coccidiostats with Oregon State University in 1982 (1). His paper states “Frequently publications pertaining to waterfowl state that medicated feeds should not be fed to ducklings and goslings. In some localities, producers and hobbyists who raise a small number of ducklings and goslings can only purchase medicated chick, turkey or game bird starter and grower feeds. Because of the lack of documented information on this subject and the numerous requests for advice on this matter, anticoccidial drugs zoalene, sulfaquinoxaline and amprolium were mixed in mash feed and fed to ducks up to four weeks of age.”

His conclusion was “From this experiment, it appears that sulfaquinoxaline, zoalene, or amprolium at the manufacturers' use levels for chickens and turkeys did not cause mortality, stunted growth or cripples when fed to Khaki Campbell ducklings to 4 weeks of age."

Therefore, it appears research shows these drugs do not harm waterfowl if used at the rates commonly used with chickens and turkeys.


Medicated Chick Starter using amprolium by Lone Star Mills

Have there been coccidiostats used in the past that were harmful to waterfowl? Probably and that is why the myth began. But those drugs are no longer allowed or no longer used in the United States.

What if you have the choice of medicated or non-medicated starter feed of equal nutritional value? My recommendation would be to use the non-medicated feed. There is no point in feeding medication when it is not needed.

HOWEVER, if the choice is nutritionally correct medicated starter feed (20%+ protein) or non-medicated feed that does not meet the nutritional needs of the ducklings and goslings, I would definitely recommend the nutritionally correct, medicated starter feed. Research shows the medication will not harm the waterfowl.

(1) Holderread, D., Nakaue, H.S., Arscott, G.H. 1983 Poultry Science 62:112

-Kathy
 
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Duck food isn't that expensive, and the duckies will happily munch on weeds as they hunt for bugs, so they'll get all the fodder they need! :) I don't even think fiber is a necessity, anyway. Many of us have house ducks and outside of the occasional leafy green, they subsist primarily on pellet feed, and they do just fine.

Also I disagree on that other thread being a good source. Just because someone links a webpage they found on google doesn't mean they're giving accurate or relevant information.
Are you saying Purina is not a good source? Did you not see that they make a medicated version of flock raiser? Please show me one source that says medicated feed is harmful and I will investigate it.

Bottom line, waterfowl *can* be fed medicated feed. They probably won't need it, but it is safe to feed it to them, period.

-Kathy

Edited to add:
This subject just made my top ten medicine misinformation list
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/...ne-and-chemical-misinformations#post_14933998
 
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Here's how I see it... The non-medicated feed sold at the stores I shop at are often six months old, but the medicated ones are usually only two weeks old, so that's why I use it... for me it's all about providing the freshest food for my birds.

-Kathy
 
The only thing I find questionable about Purina is the
New class action lawsuit regarding their dog food. I would find Mertzer Farms a pretty repuitable source of information though. Our feed store supplies feed & bedding from within the state I live so the more local the better, in my opinion.
 
The only thing I find questionable about Purina is the
New class action lawsuit regarding their dog food. I would find Mertzer Farms a pretty repuitable source of information though. Our feed store supplies feed & bedding from within the state I live so the more local the better, in my opinion.
The Purina TSC sells is from a mill that's 90 minutes from here, so it's local.

-Kathy
 
This is my first time having ducks/chickens so all a learning process. They are currently on a starter crumble. The bag of chick grit I have said not to start until at least 2-3 weeks old.

As for fodder I am just trying to plan ahead since once they are old enough to be outside where we are putting the coop/pen there isn't much grass and want to get something started. I want to say wheat grass was something that grows fast, but can't seem to find any.

Try oat grass! You can get whole oat groats at Whole Foods, Sprouts, or most health food stores. Get a small amount at first and see if what they carry will sprout, but if it does you can plant it. Oat grass is great, my cats LOVE it. I'm sure ducks would too.
 
Here's the thing - companies who make chick starter, duck pellets etc WANT you to buy their product. The research (reputable research from peer reviewed articles in the scientific literature) show cases of toxicity buildup in ducks and geese from the medication used in commercial feeds. Also remember that in nature ducks and geese, as babies, eat a LOT of insects which are an average of 40% protein or more. The problem with angel wing is caused NOT by protein. It is caused by the animals over-eating the crumble which is very high in carbs and has low quality protein which is not digestible, in an effort to get enough protein. Again, this information is all available in peer-reviewed studies that have been published in a variety of journals. It is also backed up by the experience of many animal rehab centres. In a side by side study conducted by one rehabber, close to 200 ducks and geese were raised on insects and a variety of greens with CHOICE being given to the animals as to what they ate. 3 of those 200 were raised on crumble - two of those raised on crumble developed angel wing. NONE of those raised on insects and greens did. Please stop feeding according to what commercial feed producers want you to buy - their products are aimed at duck farmers who want to sent fat animals off to slaughter.
 
Here's the thing - companies who make chick starter, duck pellets etc WANT you to buy their product.  The research (reputable research from peer reviewed articles in the scientific literature) show cases of toxicity buildup in ducks and geese from the medication used in commercial feeds.  Also remember that in nature ducks and geese, as babies, eat a LOT of insects which are an average of 40% protein or more.  The problem with angel wing is caused NOT by protein.  It is caused by the animals over-eating the crumble which is very high in carbs and has low quality protein which is not digestible, in an effort to get enough protein.  Again, this information is all available in peer-reviewed studies that have been published in a variety of journals.  It is also backed up by the experience of many animal rehab centres.  In a side by side study conducted by one rehabber, close to 200 ducks and geese were raised on insects and a variety of greens with CHOICE being given to the animals as to what they ate.  3 of those 200 were raised on crumble - two of those raised on crumble developed angel wing.  NONE of those raised on insects and greens did.  Please stop feeding according to what commercial feed producers want you to buy - their products are aimed at duck farmers who want to sent fat animals off to slaughter.


Welcome to BYC!

Where are these studies that show toxic levels of amprolium?

-Kathy
 
Just curious... how many of you look at the date codes on the bags of feed you buy?

-Kathy

Funny I should see your post. I went to the feed store today to inquire about waterfowl feed for a gosling I am getting later this spring (house pet with lots of outdoor grazing time). I too am concerned about the freshness of the feed. Until I saw this thread, all my internet research adamantly stated medicated feed is fatal to waterfowl. After reading all of this, I'm confused as heck. The lady at the feedstore told me it is safe to feed medicated starter to ducklings, that it won't harm them. I thought she was ill informed, but now I just don't know. Metzer Farms is very reputable, and they say it's ok. Is the gist of it stick with non medicated, but in a pinch medicated is ok? Or is it just better to go with medicated because the feed is a lot fresher?
 
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