Feedback on Concept Drawings, please?

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DH swears he will call the town to find out about any regulations on Monday. Since we found out that one of the more upscale towns nearby permits 10 laying hens/household it seems promising.

So I'm thinking positive and came up with a concept drawing for my 6-hen coop and I'd appreciate some feedback before presenting it to my DH to be transformed into an actual building plan.

This first picture shows the orientation, with the coop on the east side of the 8X10 metal garden shed and several runs wrapped around the shed.
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The dimensions are somewhere between 4x7 and 5x8 according to DH's reworking to make my idea fit the commonly available sizes of lumber. There are large, deciduous trees to the south that provide shade all summer though the eastern exposure would provide some morning sun. The south face would be in the sun in the winter when the leaves have fallen.

And this picture shows the view looking uphill (to the west), with the south and east elevations shown at the bottom.

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The dashed lines are because the dimensions of the run are a little iffy due to the position of a large shrub we don't wish to remove (especially since it would provide shade in the summer and a windbreak to the north in the winter), and because DH needs a certain amount of space between the southeast corner and a large tree to the southeast (summer shade for the coop), to walk through to his office in a larger shed to the north about 15 feet past the indicated fence.

The theory is to have the section of run next to the coop hardened against predators so that the chickens could have full, day and night access rather than having to be shut into the coop itself every night. The rest of the run is divided into 3 sections to try to rotate them so I can grow green feed for them in the 2 unused sections.

We want to have the food and water in the hardened run in a way that's accessible from the outside though there would be room to put them into the coop on the coldest winter nights.

The ground slopes gently to the east so there would be room to stand under the overhang of the shed roof on that side and be out of the weather when tending to the food and water.

I've indicated windows on the south and east sides and am planning triangular openings on the north and south sides at the top of the wall under the roof overhang. Should there be a vent at the top of the west wall where it sticks up past the shed roof?

Since I'm in the steamy southeast where 95 degrees and 95% humidity are normal from June through August and winters are mild enough that the ground rarely freezes hard I was thinking more about keeping the chickens cool than keeping them warm.

Would it be desirable to partially close off the east window in the coldest months since its next to the perches? To install some kind of windbreak panel on the hardened run at that time?
 
Thank you.

That shed is located in one of the most inconvenient places possible in the yard and whoever put it in installed it for the ages -- with a brick-in-sand floor and spikes of unknown length anchoring it to the ground so I had no choice about working around it. The good part is that its the best-drained part of the yard -- the area where the coop and run goes NEVER collects standing water for even a minute.

I expect dogs to be the major predator issue. The neighbor up the hill tries to keep her young dog under control and on a leash but he sometimes gets away from the kids. He's a good dog, but I'm sure he'd go for a chicken out of instinct. And there are a couple beagles running around whose owners utterly ignore the town leash laws.

I've seen hawks and I don't suppose that there is anyplace in the eastern US that doesn't have raccoons. So I'm planning on making the outer perimeter dog tight and the hardened run coon tight.
 
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I am somewhat new to all this and researched the daylights out of everything before we built. Oh, and hindsight is 20/20, so here is my 2 cents worth:

I like your idea of rotating pens. That is our plan, too. Some people actually grow gardens in a pen while using another, and let the chickens forage after harvest.

I think covering your main pen might be something to consider. Shade in summer, and cover from rain when needed. I often drive by a house with a big flock, and the chickens all huddle on the old farm house covered porch in the rain. We are building a roof for our main pen.

I think keeping a draft away from roosting chickens is a good idea. Drafts and birds don't mix. We use glass windows that we prop open in hot weather that are covered inside with hardware cloth. I've seen warm climate houses that have hardware cloth windows with wooden window covers they prop open or remove, closing them up at night when it's cool enough. On the other hand, when I lived in Phoenix, there was an exotic bird breeder who had huge aviaries with no walls and it can get cool there on winter nights. I guess it depends on climate and how tough your birds are.

The upper ends of our chicken house are open all summer with hardware cloth for protection (air without draft). We have boards we cover these up with in winter. It was 90+ degrees here a few days ago and the chickens were suffering, so we put a fan up in the rafters to blow out the hot air, worked like a charm. I think it would be nice to plan for a fan in a hot climate. Heat will do them in fast.

Oh, if we were to do it over again, we would have built bigger. Ours is 8 by 12 and we are now addicted and planning an addition (And we aren't even quite finished witheverything)! Have fun with your new coop!
 
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From experience I would say--make your coop at least 8 by 8. That is a really nice size and good use of lumber. Then you could make large areas of the upper walls removable for the summer (just hardware cloth). They would have plenty of room to move around in if you can't let them out. It is much harder to make a run really dog and coon proof.

You would also need to have about 400 sq. ft. of ground for each chicken to keep it "green", so it might be difficult even with rotating runs. I would do one section and try it out before you build everything--you may just want one large run.
 
Thanks.

Cost is an issue as is available space and I can't afford either the money or the space to overbuild for the number of chickens. We're currently planning 6 chickens with that number subject to change depending on what we find out about town regulations, if any.

I was planning to scavenge chainlink dog kennel panels to make the hardened run portion on the theory that what's meant to keep dogs in will keep dogs out. Is that thinking the right direction?
 
Well thought out plan
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As far as your idea of totally predatorproofing the run so you can leave the popdoor open 24/7 -- if you do this, realize that it is far, far, far easier to *believe* your run is 100% predatorproof than to have it BE 100% predatorproof. Browse the "Predators and Pests" section of this forum for threads of that nature. So, if you are going to leave the popdoor open, then it has to be in full knowledge that you are making your chickens more vulnerable than they need to be, and have an elevated risk of going out one morning and finding piles of feathers. And once predators get their first taste, it is a whole lot harder to keep them out in the future as they become considerably more persistant and ambitious.

I've indicated windows on the south and east sides and am planning triangular openings on the north and south sides at the top of the wall under the roof overhang. Should there be a vent at the top of the west wall where it sticks up past the shed roof?

On the one hand it might be useful from a functional standpoint; on the other hand, depending on the details (height, slope, aspect, etc) of the two structures it might easily catch a lot of rain bouncing off the shed roof and get your coop pretty wet. You'd have to see what looks likeliest to you.

Would it be desirable to partially close off the east window in the coldest months since its next to the perches?

Probably on some days. You might well want to be able to close off one or more of the other windows too, to keep cold breezes off the chickens.

To install some kind of windbreak panel on the hardened run at that time?

Possibly, depends how windy your yard is and how cold your winters. I'd say that could probably wait til this winter and be handled on a wait-and-see basis.

Good luck, have fun,

Pat​
 

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