Feeding chickens soybeans?

[goldenchic]

What does GMO stand for?
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[greathorse]

Soybeans are great source of protein and amost all livestock feed has soy in it, but you need to cook or roast or heat in someway. I will need to look up the technical stuff but there is something in raw soybeans (some kind of inhibitor) that will not allow the nutrtition to be assimilated. I dont think it is poisonous as such but is very detrimental in the long run.

GMO = Gentetically Modified Organism. Almost all soybeans now days are modified genetically so they will survive being sprayed with roundup to kill the weeds. Hence "round up ready" beans. Some folks think it is a very bad thing. Others believe it is a good thing.

 

[spammy]

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I was wondering if you could provide a source for 70% protien claim.
Here is what Perdue University say.
"The primary goal of a soybean crusher is to maximize the pounds of oil and meal processed from every bushel of soybeans. An average soybean bushel of 60 lb contains 35% protein, 18.5% oil, and 5% fiber, and yields 11 lb of oil and 48 lb of 44% protein meal. The crush margin, which is the difference between the value of soybean meal plus oil and the purchase price of raw soybeans, is generally based on this average end-product yield."

Wkipedia Soy protein

 

[digitS']

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From what I've read, raw soybeans not only inhibit the assimilation of soy nutrients but the nutrients in other ingredients of the diet. Greathorse is correct in saying that they are detrimental in the long run.

". . .soybeans by weight; protein at 40%. . ." Wikipedia

"Soy protein isolate is a highly refined or purified form of soy protein with a minimum protein content of 90% . . ."
"Soy protein concentrate is about 70% soy protein . . . "
"Soy flour . . . defatted (oils removed) with 50% protein"
Wikipedia - - However, I'm thinking of getting in and "screwing around" with all the numbers before anyone gets over there . . . LOL

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Steve

 

[sjh]

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I was wondering if you could provide a source for 70% protien claim.
Here is what Perdue University say.
"The primary goal of a soybean crusher is to maximize the pounds of oil and meal processed from every bushel of soybeans. An average soybean bushel of 60 lb contains 35% protein, 18.5% oil, and 5% fiber, and yields 11 lb of oil and 48 lb of 44% protein meal. The crush margin, which is the difference between the value of soybean meal plus oil and the purchase price of raw soybeans, is generally based on this average end-product yield."

Wkipedia Soy protein

Here's what wikiwrongpedia says about soybean.
Together, oil and protein content account for about 60% of dry soybeans by weight; protein at 40% and oil at 20%. The remainder consists of 35% carbohydrate and about 5% ash. Soybean cultivars comprise approximately 8% seed coat or hull, 90% cotyledons and 2% hypocotyl axis or germ.
Here's what wikiwrongpedia says about soy protein.
Soy protein is generally regarded as the storage protein held in discrete particles called protein bodies, which are estimated to contain at least 60–70% of the total soybean protein.
Example. 100 grams of soy meal.
40 to 44% is protien Lets use 40%
Of 100 grams 40 grams are protien
Lets take that 40grams and break down the types of protien in our sample.
70% of that 40 gram sample is what is called a storage protien.
I think that is were you are coming up with 70%
BTW I am not personaly attacking you I am trying to correct bad info. If no one corrects it a week/month/year who knows someone will see this and belive it. Kind of like the I read on here about corn and body heat myth.
Also you should not use wikipedia as a sourse of correct info. I could edit soybeans and say if you eat .00000000001 gram of beans you will die. That is why i called it wikiwrongpedia.

 

[frenchblackcopper]

I'm no expert in nutrition,,,but soybean meal is used in cattle and swine diets to boost protein levels not attainable by feeding straight field corn,with a protein value of 11-12%,,most all feed rations recommended are on the low end,,15-16% protein,,soybeans must be heated and crushed to extrude the soy oil in them first,as in some animals,this oil is detramental to their growth and health.

 

[Foristers]

Soybeans vary in protein content, depending on how they are treated/processed. If the oil is removed than the protein content can be as high as about 57% but the beans simply roasted are about 42-45% I believe.

Roasting them is the best, low cost, and efficient way to heat them enough to make them both safe and more nutritious. The level of nutrients does not go up, but their digestibility does. 250-275 degrees for 20-25 minutes is fine. This can be done in an over, on a grill, in a burn barrel... whatever concept you can devise to hit those temps for that time. There are other variations of this method, perhaps higher heat for shorter time, perhaps lower heat for longer... whatever. You need to get the beans up to 180 degrees though.
They can also be boiled but it is less efficient and may result in nutrient content lost as the water is poured out.

Now I have a question for those who say "

I refuse to eat ANYTHING soy based and won't let my chickens either.

Why? What is the issue with soybeans?

 

[Chickassan]

I think people have an issue with the plant based estrogens, phytoestrogens. Enough of them in your system can cause issues such as male breast swelling and in females menstrual irregularities. In chickens too much soy makes for dark bitter yolks .Personally I think it's fine in moderation .

Soybeans vary in protein content, depending on how they are treated/processed. If the oil is removed than the protein content can be as high as about 57% but the beans simply roasted are about 42-45% I believe.

Roasting them is the best, low cost, and efficient way to heat them enough to make them both safe and more nutritious. The level of nutrients does not go up, but their digestibility does. 250-275 degrees for 20-25 minutes is fine. This can be done in an over, on a grill, in a burn barrel... whatever concept you can devise to hit those temps for that time. There are other variations of this method, perhaps higher heat for shorter time, perhaps lower heat for longer... whatever. You need to get the beans up to 180 degrees though.
They can also be boiled but it is less efficient and may result in nutrient content lost as the water is poured out.

Now I have a question for those who say "


Why? What is the issue with soybeans?

 

[Foristers]

I know about the phytoestrogens, but they are found in many foods including: "coffee, tea, nuts, oilseeds (flax, sesame, sunflower, and so on), beans, garlic, onion, red wine, cabbage, broccoli, berries, some fruits (apples, peaches, and watermelon), alfalfa, and clover sprouts."
(http://articles.extension.org/pages/67352/feeding-soybean-to-poultry)
Do you know of any scientific documents about what PE's do to humans, via eggs laid by poultry that ate soybeans, that exists? Or is it from a yoga-pants blogger? Just curious. There is much bad information on the internet.

I have not heard that they make the yolks dark and bitter. That one is new to me. I have soybeans in my feed mix and have not dealt with those issues.

 

[Chickassan]

Nope no scientific information, wish i did. You know it's a garbage dump out there when you actually would like a few actual facts, only enough to scare you nothing more. The bitter yolk phenomena takes a very large amount of soy to produce, I'd wager the hens diet would at least have to be 75 percent. I've seen it one time, and that hen had been sustaining on hog rations.

I know about the phytoestrogens, but they are found in many foods including: "coffee, tea, nuts, oilseeds (flax, sesame, sunflower, and so on), beans, garlic, onion, red wine, cabbage, broccoli, berries, some fruits (apples, peaches, and watermelon), alfalfa, and clover sprouts."
(http://articles.extension.org/pages/67352/feeding-soybean-to-poultry)
Do you know of any scientific documents about what PE's do to humans, via eggs laid by poultry that ate soybeans, that exists? Or is it from a yoga-pants blogger? Just curious. There is much bad information on the internet.

I have not heard that they make the yolks dark and bitter. That one is new to me. I have soybeans in my feed mix and have not dealt with those issues.