Female puppy with recurring UTI

[bhawk-23]

The talk of a contract made me think, does the breeder require you to give a special supplement you can only buy online thru their referral link, in order to honor the contract? I’ve heard of that before, and I’ve heard those pyramid scheme supplements can cause a lot of problems for the dogs.

No, all she recommended was Bil Jac food. I am going to keep her on it for now.

I'm in human medicine but used to work for vets. I ran some searches on Google Scholar. Looks like most of the cases are in spayed dogs and their treatment was usually surgical, which wasn't always successful. One article talks about ruling out urethral strictures which are small bands of constricted tissue. If that's the cause, and it doesn't seem to be, once those bands are broken, the UTIs stop. Some articles talk about the vagina being irritated at the same time, usually due to licking.

It occurred to me. I used Proin on a foster of mine to help him hold urine, and potty train him. Before you say no, hear me out. IF she is treated for UTI with antibiotics, and takes Proin, it will help her hold it, by helping strengthen the urethral sphincter. THEN, when she does go, clean her with diluted Hibiclens. Hibiclens is what we use to scrub before surgery. There are articles that say, after 5 minutes of Hibiclens and a rinse, that it continues to kill ALL bacteria, viruses, yeast, and fungus on the skin FOR A FULL 24 hours!, Then when she goes again, you only need to wipe with diluted Hibiclens, again. It is not irritating and doesn't burn. IF you continued the Proin and Hibiclens wipes, you may be able to prevent the next UTI. If not just continue rotating antibiotics, so the bacteria don't become resistant, and using Proin and Hibiclens till she has a few heat cycles. It may resolve as she matures.

The reasoning for the vet to think about, is that once she's on antibiotics, there's no reason for her not to hold her urine longer. Less times peeing is less times you have to wipe. If she's licking and irritating the area, the habit needs to be broken and this may help.

Just a thought. The Proin has no real side effects and it works.

BTW, I'd take a roll of Bounty paper towels, the one with the 1/2 sheets. Unroll it, while layering it to fit in a gallon or 2 gallon zip lock bag. Then, dilute your Hibiclens to about 1 part Hibiclens to 2 parts water and put it over the paper towels so they are soaked. Then they'll be ready for you. If you make a second bag of towels soaked in distilled water, you'll have your "rinse towel ready after Hibiclens has been on a minute or two.

Hope this helps....

I am using Neutrogena baby wipes currently. I do have hibiclense and that antiseptic used by vets and thought to dilute it and keep in a container but I like your idea of pre-made wipes better. I'll do that!
The Dr is against adding any other meds or supplements currently until a diagnosis is made. We have the appointment with internal medicine for 8/16 but I keep calling for cancellations. Lol
We are looking at urethral issues I believe. She finished her sulfa med Sunday night and started the amox Monday night which she will stay on for a week or two.

 

[bhawk-23]

As you can see from my avatar I'm an avid giant dog breed lover. I know you said you wouldn't spay till 2 years, but I'd encourage 3-5 years old. I had my first two giants that vet pushed me into neutering before 2 years old. They both died by 5 years old. The last 5 giants I've had I've fixed one at 3 and 4 of them at 5 years old. They all lived to be 12.5-13.5 years old! IMHO In the giant breeds, and I'm in rescue and a spay/neuter advocate, but giant breeds simply cannot be neutered before 3 and preferably 5 if you want them to live till 10 years old or longer. Interestingly, the far right dog in my avatar is a Pyrenean Mastiff who weighed 165#of pure muscle. He was my longest living dog at 13.5 years old!

I LOVE these Giants!! Daisy is my 3rd English Mastiff. We decided to go with a breeder this time because our last mastiff was a rescue. We spent so much trying to save her. She stayed with us for an amazing 2.5 yrs She came to us heartworm positive and diabetic. It was the cancer we could not treat and ultimately took her from us. She was passed from one brb to the next until she could no longer carry a litter. Then locked outside because she could no longer "pay for her keep". Makes me sick
I searched for another rescue but could not find one that would be suited to what I was looking for if I did they would not be adopted to a family with small pets and kids so we decided to go with a puppy. We researched the breeder and looked up the parents and I believe did our best to find a long term reputable breeder. One who is bettering the breed. We are in constant contact and she is asking for updates and wants to know what is going on.

And raw feeding a giant breed puppy scares me!! Fortunately, I have a dietician I used for my liver disease 13 yr old pup who created a specific diet for Ava and it helped improve her labs tremendously! I also had her formulate a raw diet for Sonny. I would most likely go through her again.

I will definitely look into that supplement though.

 

[bhawk-23]

The talk of a contract made me think, does the breeder require you to give a special supplement you can only buy online thru their referral link, in order to honor the contract? I’ve heard of that before, and I’ve heard those pyramid scheme supplements can cause a lot of problems for the dogs.

I should add that her contract states that if in the first year any congenital, genetic or inherited issues are found proving to be fatal they will replace your puppy with another from the next litter.
We don't want another puppy, I am just hoping to get a refund on ours to help cover costs for treatments/surgery if they are needed. The question is, what is considered fatal, something that cannot be fixed at all or something that can be fixed but if it's not can be fatal? Also, is a refund the same as her having to give us a puppy from the next litter financially. I think it is. Anyways, I'm just holding out hope she is willing to work with us if this is congenital and needs $$$$ to fix.

 

[FloorCandy]

I should add that her contract states that if in the first year any congenital, genetic or inherited issues are found proving to be fatal they will replace your puppy with another from the next litter.
We don't want another puppy, I am just hoping to get a refund on ours to help cover costs for treatments/surgery if they are needed. The question is, what is considered fatal, something that cannot be fixed at all or something that can be fixed but if it's not can be fatal? Also, is a refund the same as her having to give us a puppy from the next litter financially. I think it is. Anyways, I'm just holding out hope she is willing to work with us if this is congenital and needs $$$$ to fix.

Usually in situations like this, fatal means that no puppy will be given unless the current dog dies. Most breeders can’t afford to pay the medical costs and will take your dog back and replace with a new one, and most often have the sick puppy put down. In some states, the law requires they pay up to 3x the cost of the puppy toward vet bills for a congenital issue. Many breeders don’t have the spare cash to give refunds and they will offer a new pup. Check your contract and see what it states exactly. Most breeders don’t offer refunds at all after 7-14 days. The shame is, many breeders are ultra nice until they are asked to hand out money, then they get defensive.

I’ve lost all faith in the akc over the years. I bought a pup in around 2010, a more rare breed. The breeder was the top breeder in the us, the akc website photo for the breed was one of her dogs. She owned the first ever grand champion of the breed. Her vet specialized in the breed and literally wrote almost all published info and studies on the breed specific Illnesses. my pup showed her first signs of congenital illness at 4 months. Since all the symptoms of the breeds specific congenital illnesses can also be symptoms of other things, I couldn’t prove it until after the year guarantee was over. I threw away thousands of dollars treating a sick puppy. She offered me a new pup, but only if I gave her ours to euthanize. I asked couldn’t we just let her live out her time in comfort in her home, and the answer was no, not if I wanted a new pup, so we kept her and lost our chance at a pup.

My current (different) chosen breed has a lot of drama in the akc breed club, it’s really selfish and counter productive to dog health. I spent a lot of time searching out dogs with traits I find better for a healthy dog, and if I breed them I don’t want anyone to ever have to decide whether to abandon their pet in its last months or get the value they payed for, in a new pup. My intention is to figure the cost of prepaying insurance that covers congenital illness for a year, into the cost of the pups. I’d love to say I will pay for each pups extended health care if they have some unseen illness, but who knows where my finances might be in a year, and if it’s more than I profited from selling the pup, I might not have it on hand. Hopefully the convenience and peace of mind the insurance provides will encourage people to keep the insurance after the year. I encourage anyone buying or selling a dog with a high cost or likelihood of illness, to invest in insurance. I understand wanting to maintain a minimum of quality of care to maintain the contract, but being inflexible on a mid grade food if you want to improve the nutrition provided, is just unfair.

 

[bhawk-23]

Usually in situations like this, fatal means that no puppy will be given unless the current dog dies. Most breeders can’t afford to pay the medical costs and will take your dog back and replace with a new one, and most often have the sick puppy put down. In some states, the law requires they pay up to 3x the cost of the puppy toward vet bills for a congenital issue. Many breeders don’t have the spare cash to give refunds and they will offer a new pup. Check your contract and see what it states exactly. Most breeders don’t offer refunds at all after 7-14 days. The shame is, many breeders are ultra nice until they are asked to hand out money, then they get defensive.

I’ve lost all faith in the akc over the years. I bought a pup in around 2010, a more rare breed. The breeder was the top breeder in the us, the akc website photo for the breed was one of her dogs. She owned the first ever grand champion of the breed. Her vet specialized in the breed and literally wrote almost all published info and studies on the breed specific Illnesses. my pup showed her first signs of congenital illness at 4 months. Since all the symptoms of the breeds specific congenital illnesses can also be symptoms of other things, I couldn’t prove it until after the year guarantee was over. I threw away thousands of dollars treating a sick puppy. She offered me a new pup, but only if I gave her ours to euthanize. I asked couldn’t we just let her live out her time in comfort in her home, and the answer was no, not if I wanted a new pup, so we kept her and lost our chance at a pup.

My current (different) chosen breed has a lot of drama in the akc breed club, it’s really selfish and counter productive to dog health. I spent a lot of time searching out dogs with traits I find better for a healthy dog, and if I breed them I don’t want anyone to ever have to decide whether to abandon their pet in its last months or get the value they payed for, in a new pup. My intention is to figure the cost of prepaying insurance that covers congenital illness for a year, into the cost of the pups. I’d love to say I will pay for each pups extended health care if they have some unseen illness, but who knows where my finances might be in a year, and if it’s more than I profited from selling the pup, I might not have it on hand. Hopefully the convenience and peace of mind the insurance provides will encourage people to keep the insurance after the year. I encourage anyone buying or selling a dog with a high cost or likelihood of illness, to invest in insurance. I understand wanting to maintain a minimum of quality of care to maintain the contract, but being inflexible on a mid grade food if you want to improve the nutrition provided, is just unfair.

I hear you and what you are saying. I do not expect them to cover all of our costs, just a refund of our puppy. If they give us a new puppy they are out the same cost of refunding so I guess I hope they see it that way too. We have 3 more weeks to wait so hopefully we will have more answers then.

 

[bhawk-23]

Update on Daisy!

We are nearing the end of her 3 week cycle of a sulfa med. The cysto was clear of bacteria on day 5 of treatment and we are doing another cysto today, 3 days before final dose to see where she is at. If clear we will stop antibiotics in 3 days and perform another cysto at day 10 post treatment.

Her recessed vulva is quite severe I guess. I'll attach a pic of the skin fold actually hanging down over her vulva.

She has started her raw diet this past weekend. My Lord poop duty is SO MUCH EASIER!!! I do not ever want to attempt kibble, EVER, again!!!

We will start our supplements once we get results back today.

 

[Weeg]

This may be a helpful article as well- https://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/top-remedies-for-uti-in-dogs/