FERMENTED FEEDS...anyone using them?

And the reason would be? To tell people that your dermatologist thinks feeding FF is dangerous and he should know because he has a large flock of chickens he feeds organically? Is the reason to warn others to not feed FF at the risk of this supposed danger? I'm just curious....
 
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I've been working with a local feed mill to develop a custom all-purpose feed system for our varied flock (chickens & ducks of both genders and all ages, plus the occasional seasonal BBB turkey). She is an animal nutritionist, and a milling pro (I'd say "expert," but I know BK doesn't like that word
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). When I told her I was willing to ferment feed for the birds, and that I've actually been doing it, she was really excited. She is all for fermenting feeds for livestock in general. But specifically it means she can give us some better options for doing some of the "mixing" of the ingredients here (depending on needs) without wasting the powdery/fine additives 'cuz those just get lost in dry feeds.

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This same source has also told me she "likes" Camelina products for livestock feeds, but when she says that she does not mean the chemically derived bio-fuel waste product version of Camelina meal. There is a little local company here that processes Camelina. They separate the oil from the meal with nothing more than pressure ... that's her source. She uses both the oil (we know that's more stable than other "Omega 3" oils), and the meal in some of her feeds. So ... I may end up with Camelina meal in my feed mixture after all! But it will be totally locally farmed and processed as food.

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I tried sprouting grains for a while. I could not control the "co crops" with them (read that as mold/mildew/fungus/whatever). No amount of soaking things in bleach water first produced "just" sprouts. Reading through the Feeding Poultry book, there is some explanation of the nutritional value of "spent grains" from the brewing industry, but also lots of concern about how to keep that resource from spoiling. There are commercial sprouting systems out there, large scale, for making fodder for grazing animals in drought areas, etc., but even those are tricky to keep healthy. I couldn't manage it here. Other people seem to be able to do it.
 
I've been working with a local feed mill to develop a custom all-purpose feed system for our varied flock (chickens & ducks of both genders and all ages, plus the occasional seasonal BBB turkey). She is an animal nutritionist, and a milling pro (I'd say "expert," but I know BK doesn't like that word ;) ). When I told her I was willing to ferment feed for the birds, and that I've actually been doing it, she was really excited. She is all for fermenting feeds for livestock in general. But specifically it means she can give us some better options for doing some of the "mixing" of the ingredients here (depending on needs) without wasting the powdery/fine additives 'cuz those just get lost in dry feeds.

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This same source has also told me she "likes" Camelina products for livestock feeds, but when she says that she does not mean the chemically derived bio-fuel waste product version of Camelina meal. There is a little local company here that processes Camelina. They separate the oil from the meal with nothing more than pressure ... that's her source. She uses both the oil (we know that's more stable than other "Omega 3" oils), and the meal in some of her feeds. So ... I may end up with Camelina meal in my feed mixture after all! But it will be totally locally farmed and processed as food.

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I tried sprouting grains for a while. I could not control the "co crops" with them (read that as mold/mildew/fungus/whatever). No amount of soaking things in bleach water first produced "just" sprouts. Reading through the Feeding Poultry book, there is some explanation of the nutritional value of "spent grains" from the brewing industry, but also lots of concern about how to keep that resource from spoiling. There are commercial sprouting systems out there, large scale, for making fodder for grazing animals in drought areas, etc., but even those are tricky to keep healthy. I couldn't manage it here. Other people seem to be able to do it.


That is a fantastic resource to have.
 
This makes SO much sense, though! :lau  :gig  :old  :gig  :lau  

ETA: Now I'm trying super hard to not think too much about whatever in the world gave him that idea in the first place. Really, don't think about it. :oops:



Bahahahaha. Some one told her she didn't have a roo and her freshly laid eggs were wet, too. I wonder if he realizes a male isn't necessary to get an egg. And to think, he said he'd had chickens all his life.....
 
Bahahahaha. Some one told her she didn't have a roo and her freshly laid eggs were wet, too. I wonder if he realizes a male isn't necessary to get an egg. And to think, he said he'd had chickens all his life.....

You'd be surprised about how many old farmers out there who have had chickens their whole life and never took the time to learn anything about them at all. On some farms, chickens are just the women's stuff and are barely considered livestock. They don't care if they die, get preyed upon or anything...they just go out and get more. That fella I left the Gnarly Bunch was 74 yrs old and had had chickens his whole life...had even had commercial poultry barns for some time. Didn't know a ding diddly dang about chickens at all, come to find out.
 
Well, then...of course you should stop feeding FF immediately! Because 9 out of 10 dermatologists don't recommend it.....

Does he know that the sprouted grains are more prone to develop fungus than the actual fully fermented feeds? That's one of the biggest difficulties with sprouting grains, is feeding them out before they mold.

Just to mention my experience with sprouted grains. I always got mold. I have thrown it out. It gets little white fuzzy mold on it about day 4- 5. I tried more rinsing, better circulation by running a fan, everything I could think of to no avail. It wasn't black or green, but nevertheless, mold. I haven't had mold on my ff since starting it last fall. This has been my experience. I know those who sprout have had great results. Not just for me. I am going to stick with my ff.
 
Bee, just wanted to ask you if you feed your new ducks the ff chicken feed? My son just bought 4 baby ducks and I gave him some of the ff chicken feed for them. I guess they eat the same as chickens? He has a pond so they will be able to eat moss, frogs and so forth. We've never had ducks, so know nothing about them.

Oh! Just wanted to mention I fed the dogs ff today for the first time. My DD's dog, which we are dog sitting, would sniff at it and then walk away. This went on 2-3 hours. Finally, she tasted it and ate every last bite!! Whoo Whoo! Now if our dog will taste it. She is hiding her food from DD's dog, so isn't eating it yet!
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Just to mention my experience with sprouted grains. I always got mold. I have thrown it out. It gets little white fuzzy mold on it about day 4- 5. I tried more rinsing, better circulation by running a fan, everything I could think of to no avail. It wasn't black or green, but nevertheless, mold. I haven't had mold on my ff since starting it last fall. This has been my experience. I know those who sprout have had great results. Not just for me. I am going to stick with my ff.

Are you SURE it was mold? I threw out a lot of sprouts because of white "mold" that I later learned were root hairs. It's a really common mistake.
 
Bee, just wanted to ask you if you feed your new ducks the ff chicken feed? My son just bought 4 baby ducks and I gave him some of the ff chicken feed for them. I guess they eat the same as chickens? He has a pond so they will be able to eat moss, frogs and so forth. We've never had ducks, so know nothing about them.

Oh! Just wanted to mention I fed the dogs ff today for the first time. My DD's dog, which we are dog sitting, would sniff at it and then walk away. This went on 2-3 hours. Finally, she tasted it and ate every last bite!! Whoo Whoo! Now if our dog will taste it. She is hiding her food from DD's dog, so isn't eating it yet!
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I am, yes. They didn't seem to like it when it was very wet but when it sits and drains more and becomes crusty and crumbly, they liked it just fine.

The one thing to remember about ducks....predators target them even more than they do chickens. Ducks are slow moving and not as agile as chickens when trying to escape.

Good feedback on the dogs! Now, let us know how it goes with the ducklings too...should be fun to watch.
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