FERMENTED FEEDS...anyone using them?

[Tikkijane]

You got me thinking on that, Bee.... Do chickens get gout?


Evidently, they do. And it causes swollen joints, limping, etc...

Good call there!


http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=15+1829&aid=2497

Actually, high calcium can cause gout. We had one boy that had it in one leg. We had to really watch what he ate. I generally do a mix of layer and grower/finisher {which is the all flock stuff}. When we made him his own food with just the all flock, he was better.

There are studies that show higher calcium can cause kidney damage and several that linked gout to excess calcium, iir.

 

[Tikkijane]

Actually, high calcium can cause gout. We had one boy that had it in one leg. We had to really watch what he ate. I generally do a mix of layer and grower/finisher {which is the all flock stuff}. When we made him his own food with just the all flock, he was better.

There are studies that show higher calcium can cause kidney damage and several that linked gout to excess calcium, iir.

"A multitude of factors are involved in the etiology of gout. They can be broadly categorised as:
Nutritional
Infectious
Managemental
Others
Nutritional causes
Minerals
Calcium: Phosphorus ratio - Excess dietary calcium with low available phosphorus results in precipitation of calcium-sodium-urate crystals. Phosphorus acts as urine acidifier and low phosphorus aggravates the urate crystal formation.
Sodium – Sodium intoxication puts extra stress on kidneys. Excessive use of sodium bicarbonate increases alkalinity of urine leading to kidney stone formation. Hard water with higher salt content is also a load on kidneys.
Sulphates – Decreased calcium resorption causing excessive calcium secretion through urine favours gout."


http://www.thepoultrysite.com/articles/3509/gout-management-in-poultry/

 

[Tikkijane]

You got me thinking on that, Bee.... Do chickens get gout?


Evidently, they do. And it causes swollen joints, limping, etc...

Good call there!


http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=15+1829&aid=2497

http://www.poultrydvm.com/condition/gout

 

[shortgrass]

http://www.poultrydvm.com/condition/gout

I was actually looking at the purines in the cat food

Purines (specific chemical compounds found in some foods) are broken down into uric acid. A diet rich in purines from certain sources can raise uric acid levels in the body, which sometimes leads to gout. Meat and seafood may increase the risk of gout.

 

[EggSighted4Life]

Actually, high calcium can cause gout. We had one boy that had it in one leg. We had to really watch what he ate. I generally do a mix of layer and grower/finisher {which is the all flock stuff}. When we made him his own food with just the all flock, he was better.

There are studies that show higher calcium can cause kidney damage and several that linked gout to excess calcium, iir.

I was actually looking at the purines in the cat food

Purines (specific chemical compounds found in some foods) are broken down into uric acid. A diet rich in purines from certain sources can raise uric acid levels in the body, which sometimes leads to gout. Meat and seafood may increase the risk of gout.

There are two different types of gout. 1 caused by excess calcium, the other by excess protein. But it would have to be a lot either way. So I think pre-disposal may be a factor. All my chickens are on flock raiser and will be, or maybe another brand with same protein because I don't like the DE in the Purina FR.

I think what's important is to keep it balanced.

 

[ChickNanny13]

There are two different types of gout. 1 caused by excess calcium, the other by excess protein. But it would have to be a lot either way. So I think pre-disposal may be a factor. All my chickens are on flock raiser and will be, or maybe another brand with same protein because I don't like the DE in the Purina FR.

I think what's important is to keep it balanced.

What's "DE in the Purina FR"? Was feeding that with Oyster Shells on the side until the feed store ran out, have used HomeGrown Layer No Soy No Corn in the past so using that now. I've been researching feed also, looking for something with about 18% protein and vitamins.

 

[EggSighted4Life]

What's "DE in the Purina FR"? Was feeding that with Oyster Shells on the side until the feed store ran out, had to get HomeGrown Layer

Sorry, diatomaceous earth and Purina Flock Raiser.

And, just in case you need it here is a nice link....

https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/byc-index-of-abbreviations

 

[ChickNanny13]

Sorry, diatomaceous earth and Purina Flock Raiser.

And, just in case you need it here is a nice link....

https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/byc-index-of-abbreviations

I miss read your post, thought DE was one of the ingredients in Purina FR

I do like FR with OYS on the side, once the shipment comes in would like to switch back but then I've got the about 3/4 bag of HGL. What's all your opinion of going 50/50 or better to finish up the HGL then go back to FR?

Thank you for the link!

 

[EggSighted4Life]

I miss read your post, thought DE was one of the ingredients in Purina FR

I do like FR with OYS on the side, once the shipment comes in would like to switch back but then I've got the about 3/4 bag of HGL. What's all your opinion of going 50/50 or better to finish up the HGL then go back to FR?

Thank you for the link!

Yes, it is an ingredient in it but still just DE.

I would probably go ahead and mix it. But whatever is best for you will be fine for them.

 

[aart]

I don't like the DE in the Purina FR.

Why not?.....it's better than the grain mites that was in it before they added the DE.