I rest my case.See? I'm not so paranoid after all...we mention them, and they come arunnin'.
Funny how someone who hates FF seems to be hanging around the FF thread right when we are discussing that phenomenon. Coincidence? I think not.
I've shaken my magic 8 ball and it tells me that as soon as they can figure out packaging and comply with USDA regulations, fermented chicken feed will be manufactured and marketed to the masses. Look! Full of probiotics!! Guaranteed your chickens will eat less! {Only $39.99 a lb!}
Shall we start a betting pool on when it hits stores?
BK answered this, but I'll add ...
There are lots of people willing to sell you lots of things (because it benefits them) that either aren't really things or aren't really necessary or are "free" for the finding, and we've grown to expect and even prefer to buy things because somehow we've been persuaded that they are "better," so we're easy "marks." I think the psychology behind this is pretty universal. It's called "marketing." Snake Oil.
The Fresh Eggs Daily blog is pretty good in letting you know who the sponsors are ... so just follow the money. The writers of that blog seem to try to keep an objective perspective, but I think that has got to be hard. It's hard for everyone, which is why "double blind" testing is the preferred "scientific method."
Even "free" information can come at a steep price, or have a hidden agenda. What I like to say is "Misery does love company, but NOTHING loves company like a bad idea!" If we have a nagging feeling that doing something might not be right, we can take a LOT of comfort in company in the other people doing it with us. The bigger the crowd around us, the more comfort we receive. So I dig for supporting information for advice, ESPECIALLY popular advice, and then I dig a little further. So much "science" is sponsored by for-profit companies these days ... then marketed ... then a little "cult" forms around it ... and Viola! Company!
Ugh.
Back to marketing ... In the USA how we seem to be a bit different is that we seem to prefer to buy things ... foods in particular ... that are marketed to tell us what they DON'T have. Fat Free! Lower Sodium! Sugar Free! And so on. Other cultures find this amusing ... paying for what you're not getting. We like to pay more for foods that don't contain what we expect them to contain. I think it gets really weird sometimes. I remember once someone bringing me a box of corn-based breakfast cereal. "Hey look! I bought this for you because it is healthy and I know you are really into health foods." I said, "It's breakfast cereal ... it's one of the least healthy, most marketed and therefore overpriced & useless, 'foods' at the grocery store." They said, "It's Gluten Free!" Well, I would expect a corn to be gluten free ...
Except of course at the grocery store you can't trust something called "corn" to contain any actual corn.
This is what is so brilliant about this FF. The more I research fermentation in general, the more I find that different cultures have been fermenting cereal grains (the stuff we feed to chickens) and other foods for AGES. They do this to make the food taste better, and to keep the food from spoiling. There is also evidence that cultures have been fermenting food for ages because they figured out long ago that fermentation ALSO boosts the nutrition of the food ... helps people stay healthier. And I've found science to prove it ... from a reliable source. Win, win, win, win.
The thing is so often "science" doesn't trust these traditional methods, and/or industry resents that these methods are "free." What can happen is appalling ... persuading "poor" populations they need to abandon traditional local foods in favor of imported industrial foods is pure evil, IMO. When we replace the essentially free traditional foods with industrialized "equivalents" that speed up the process and "simulate" the textures and flavors of those traditional foods, we put a huge financial burden on the populations, which can be devastating enough by itself, but we also take away the nutrients those cultures lived off of for hundreds/thousands of years ... so we make them sick. Some of that is innocent shark jumping, some of it is intentional malice.
Take Corn, for example. Back in the day Europe had never heard of corn. Corn is an "American" thing. They didn't know America existed. Traditionally, corn was mostly prepared by soaking it in a lime solution. Then it was ground ... by hand ... and after that it was used for food. The soaking of the corn in the lime helped soften it for grinding, but it also release the full spectrum of nutrients in the corn. But we "industrialized" that process, brought in machine grinders so the corn didn't need to be soaked first. What we failed to notice was that without the soak, cornmeal lacks Niacin, and people who live on a corn-based diet started getting Pellegra, a niacin deficiency.
No problem ... some scientific genius found a way to squeeze some synthetic niacin into the industrial product, and then a marketing genius had the idea to stick that info in big letters on the cardboard box the "food" comes in. "Fortified!" Read as "Pay More!"
Ugh.
The thing about Canola, and Camelina, and Cottonseed Meal is that they are all industrial bi-products. Essentially they are waste products that can be turned into something sorta edible through a lot of processing. We've known for ages that Cottonseed Meal is not good for poultry or poultry products, so it isn't used much except maybe in areas where cotton is grown and they'd rather sell their industrial waste as animal feed than pay to have it dumped.
Ugh.
They have done a LOT to market the "health" benefits of Canola "foods" ... but IMO it still isn't really food. That's why I avoid Canola as much as possible.
I put Camelina in that same category, and am not that impressed by it's "No GMOs!" status. I'd rather know what it is (waste from the alternative fuel industry?) than what it isn't (GMO).
I've been searching for a super healthy and affordable alternative to patented & over sprayed & largely untested GMO soy in poultry rations, but Camelina is not my Eureka! At least not yet. I'll keep digging.
Cuz ... Seeing as I have to feed my birds, I at least want to feed them ... food.
Good points.BK answered this, but I'll add ...
There are lots of people willing to sell you lots of things (because it benefits them) that either aren't really things or aren't really necessary or are "free" for the finding, and we've grown to expect and even prefer to buy things because somehow we've been persuaded that they are "better," so we're easy "marks." I think the psychology behind this is pretty universal. It's called "marketing." Snake Oil.
The Fresh Eggs Daily blog is pretty good in letting you know who the sponsors are ... so just follow the money. The writers of that blog seem to try to keep an objective perspective, but I think that has got to be hard. It's hard for everyone, which is why "double blind" testing is the preferred "scientific method."
Even "free" information can come at a steep price, or have a hidden agenda. What I like to say is "Misery does love company, but NOTHING loves company like a bad idea!" If we have a nagging feeling that doing something might not be right, we can take a LOT of comfort in company in the other people doing it with us. The bigger the crowd around us, the more comfort we receive. So I dig for supporting information for advice, ESPECIALLY popular advice, and then I dig a little further. So much "science" is sponsored by for-profit companies these days ... then marketed ... then a little "cult" forms around it ... and Viola! Company!
Ugh.
Back to marketing ... In the USA how we seem to be a bit different is that we seem to prefer to buy things ... foods in particular ... that are marketed to tell us what they DON'T have. Fat Free! Lower Sodium! Sugar Free! And so on. Other cultures find this amusing ... paying for what you're not getting. We like to pay more for foods that don't contain what we expect them to contain. I think it gets really weird sometimes. I remember once someone bringing me a box of corn-based breakfast cereal. "Hey look! I bought this for you because it is healthy and I know you are really into health foods." I said, "It's breakfast cereal ... it's one of the least healthy, most marketed and therefore overpriced & useless, 'foods' at the grocery store." They said, "It's Gluten Free!" Well, I would expect a corn to be gluten free ...
Except of course at the grocery store you can't trust something called "corn" to contain any actual corn.
This is what is so brilliant about this FF. The more I research fermentation in general, the more I find that different cultures have been fermenting cereal grains (the stuff we feed to chickens) and other foods for AGES. They do this to make the food taste better, and to keep the food from spoiling. There is also evidence that cultures have been fermenting food for ages because they figured out long ago that fermentation ALSO boosts the nutrition of the food ... helps people stay healthier. And I've found science to prove it ... from a reliable source. Win, win, win, win.
The thing is so often "science" doesn't trust these traditional methods, and/or industry resents that these methods are "free." What can happen is appalling ... persuading "poor" populations they need to abandon traditional local foods in favor of imported industrial foods is pure evil, IMO. When we replace the essentially free traditional foods with industrialized "equivalents" that speed up the process and "simulate" the textures and flavors of those traditional foods, we put a huge financial burden on the populations, which can be devastating enough by itself, but we also take away the nutrients those cultures lived off of for hundreds/thousands of years ... so we make them sick. Some of that is innocent shark jumping, some of it is intentional malice.
Take Corn, for example. Back in the day Europe had never heard of corn. Corn is an "American" thing. They didn't know America existed. Traditionally, corn was mostly prepared by soaking it in a lime solution. Then it was ground ... by hand ... and after that it was used for food. The soaking of the corn in the lime helped soften it for grinding, but it also release the full spectrum of nutrients in the corn. But we "industrialized" that process, brought in machine grinders so the corn didn't need to be soaked first. What we failed to notice was that without the soak, cornmeal lacks Niacin, and people who live on a corn-based diet started getting Pellegra, a niacin deficiency.
No problem ... some scientific genius found a way to squeeze some synthetic niacin into the industrial product, and then a marketing genius had the idea to stick that info in big letters on the cardboard box the "food" comes in. "Fortified!" Read as "Pay More!"
Ugh.
The thing about Canola, and Camelina, and Cottonseed Meal is that they are all industrial bi-products. Essentially they are waste products that can be turned into something sorta edible through a lot of processing. We've known for ages that Cottonseed Meal is not good for poultry or poultry products, so it isn't used much except maybe in areas where cotton is grown and they'd rather sell their industrial waste as animal feed than pay to have it dumped.
Ugh.
They have done a LOT to market the "health" benefits of Canola "foods" ... but IMO it still isn't really food. That's why I avoid Canola as much as possible.
I put Camelina in that same category, and am not that impressed by it's "No GMOs!" status. I'd rather know what it is (waste from the alternative fuel industry?) than what it isn't (GMO).
I've been searching for a super healthy and affordable alternative to patented & over sprayed & largely untested GMO soy in poultry rations, but Camelina is not my Eureka! At least not yet. I'll keep digging.
Cuz ... Seeing as I have to feed my birds, I at least want to feed them ... food.
I get the whole advertising thing. I laugh at all the products being sold as "gluten free" these days that would never have gluten in them anyway. Marketing. Jumping on the band wagon and stating the obvious. But I guess people don't get the obvious anymore. 
Good to know. I hand't thought about what consistency to get it too.
Sure...juice some apples, put in a jug, leave it open to air and wait.
Oops...don't forget the oil of snake.
Very unfortunate. I am trying to teach my boys not to be like this. BTW, did you know that lemmings really don't go over cliffs? That was all a stunt by some camera people way back when. Lemmings actually have more sense than some people.
I've shaken my magic 8 ball and it tells me that as soon as they can figure out packaging and comply with USDA regulations, fermented chicken feed will be manufactured and marketed to the masses. Look! Full of probiotics!! Guaranteed your chickens will eat less! {Only $39.99 a lb!}
Shall we start a betting pool on when it hits stores?
Oh my! Don't even go there! lol!Can you imagine how many more staff they would have to put on in their customer service departments to field all the questions?It takes whole threads full of people to answer the questions here. Yep...they'd have to outsource that to another country also to save costs.
Do you think they would list the oil of snake in the ingredients list?
I believe reason flew out the window in this country.
