FERMENTED FEEDS...anyone using them?

[lazy gardener]

Question??? I recently started a batch of fermented feed. I used a 3 gal bucket from TSC put in my feed and some scratch grains filled it with water until the water level was about an inch above the feed put in some Braggs ACV with mother and put the lid on top but didn't "seal" it just let it set on top. I let it ferment for 3 days stirring and keeping it covered. It finally started giving a pleasant sour smell but never bubbled. I went ahead and fed it to the chickens on day 3 and they loved it. I just read some more posts and saw one that stated not to use regular tap water and that is what I used water straight out of the garden hose. So here are my two questions. Is the tap water the reason it never began to bubble? Also I used the left over liquid from the first batch to start a second batch so should I let it continue to ferment or just start completely over? If I start over is it ok to give the chickens the batch I have going now? Thanks

I would keep the top off it to allow more organisms from the air to enter it.

I just picked up a bunch of pumpkins/gourds...gonna try to keep them cool, but not frozen, to dole out over the winter.
Have to watch them for rot and feed them out before they go too far.

Oh, am not fermenting feed in them, just another foodstuff.
They love them and eat them right down to the thinnest of the rind.

If they go through multiple freeze thaw cycles, they will start to ferment. They'll get all sloppy, and the chickens will suck them down like a slurpy. They're having a blast with the mushy zucchini in my garden. Slurpy with seeds!

 

[shortgrass]

Thanks guys and gals!

I'm going to do that, too,@Beekissed, ferment the pumpkins that is... DH was giving me the stinkeye as I was loading them up, so I only got 30, but that's enough for my experiments


And I might have to make a pie in order to get him to lete scootch them into the garage so the at least don't freeze. I can leave the rest outside with the leftover zukes and cantaloupes to get "slurpy", lol@lazy gardener

They're a one time use, @TNBielefelder. I figure after putting them in the run, the hens are going to rip them to shreds anyway; that and my kids have been poking holes in them, so they have limited life span

@aart, did you know that the pumpkin seeds contain a natural wormer? I'm sure ya did

I'll post pics or something, let ya'll know how it turns out, thanks so much!

 

[aart]

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@aart , did you know that the pumpkin seeds contain a natural wormer? I'm sure ya did

I'll post pics or something, let ya'll know how it turns out, thanks so much!

So they say...not sure I buy it, but they like them that's for sure.
I'll pop one open for them once a week or so....using the slurpy, tangy ones first.

Do take some pics and let us know who they work out.

 

[Beekissed]

Thanks guys and gals!

I'm going to do that, too,@Beekissed , ferment the pumpkins that is... DH was giving me the stinkeye as I was loading them up, so I only got 30, but that's enough for my experiments

And I might have to make a pie in order to get him to lete scootch them into the garage so the at least don't freeze. I can leave the rest outside with the leftover zukes and cantaloupes to get "slurpy", lol@lazy gardener

They're a one time use, @TNBielefelder . I figure after putting them in the run, the hens are going to rip them to shreds anyway; that and my kids have been poking holes in them, so they have limited life span

@aart , did you know that the pumpkin seeds contain a natural wormer? I'm sure ya did

I'll post pics or something, let ya'll know how it turns out, thanks so much!

You'll want them to freeze...and thaw...lose their fluids, ferment, freeze and thaw again...it all makes for a really good treat once they are finished and it will be eaten down to the very bottom of the pumpkin. You might want to store them under shelter outside somewhere...where you don't mind a syrupy mess where they lay. A raft of straw or a pallet to sit on won't go amiss.

So they say...not sure I buy it, but they like them that's for sure.
I'll pop one open for them once a week or so....using the slurpy, tangy ones first.

Do take some pics and let us know who they work out.

Pages and pages and pages of such studies say it's true...you might want to invest.

Just a little google gives one tons of info and I could paste these things in here all day long. Science is interested in the pumpkin seed...very interested in it.

The pumpkin Cucurbita moschata is an annual dicotyledonous vegetable, belonging to the Cucurbitaceae family. It is used as a medicinal plant for prostate and bladder problems, and as an anthelmintic, galactogogue, and anti-emetic. Pumpkin seed is used as a vermifuge in several countries, and C. moschata seed contains a wide range of bioactive compounds, some of which could possess anthelmintic properties, prompting experimental studies. This chapter reviews the experimental data on the anthelmintic evaluation of C. moschata seed.

This chapter outlines the pharmacological actions and potential uses of pumpkin and its extracts. Pumpkin seed oil contains 9.5-13% palmitic, 6-7.93% stearic, 0.04% arachidic, 37-39% oleic, and 44% linoleic acid. The seed also contains a wide range of bioactive compounds. The aqueous extract of the seeds of C. moschata showed efficacy as an anthelmintic in humans. The use of aqueous extracts of pumpkin seeds in the treatment of puppies experimentally infected with heterophyasis gave promising results, with even better results when combining extracts of areca nut and pumpkin seeds than when giving either extract alone. The secondary metabolites suspected to be responsible for anthelmintic activity in C. moschata seed are a triterpenic compound named cucurbitacin B, a non-proteic amino acid named cucurbitin, saponins, and sterols. The non-proteic amino acid cucurbitin, which is only present in the seeds, has been focused on as the active principle responsible for anthelmintic, notably taenicidal and schistosomicidal, activity. Cucurbitin is also used as an anti-allergen for the preparation of cosmetics and pharmaceuticals, particularly dermatological, products. Despite the focus on cucurbitin as the active principle, other secondary metabolites present in the seeds of C. moschata might also be considered as anthelmintics. The non-proteic amino acid cucurbitin (3-amino-pyrrolidine-3-carboxylic acid) is suspected to be the active principle. Cucurbitin was mostly reported to have no side effects, and only a weak level of toxicity was described in dogs and humans.

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From the study, it is observed that Z. zerumbet has shown better activity than C. maxima at a higher concentration (100 mg/ml) compared to standard Albendazole (100 mg/ml). The comparison of death time for both the plants in different concentrations with respect to standard (Albendazole).

 

[shodack]

I have given my chickens a few pumpkins. They gobble the seeds up but have shown no interest in eating the pulp. I couldn't believe it. They let the while thing rot and never once take a bite. How rude!

 

[shortgrass]

[@=/u/175197/aart]@aart[/@], did you know that the pumpkin seeds contain a natural wormer? I'm sure ya did

You'll want them to freeze...and thaw...lose their fluids, ferment, freeze and thaw again...it all makes for a really good treat once they are finished and it will be eaten down to the very bottom of the pumpkin. You might want to store them under shelter outside somewhere...where you don't mind a syrupy mess where they lay. A raft of straw or a pallet to sit on won't go amiss.

[COLOR=4B0082]So they say...not sure I buy it, but they like them that's for sure.[/COLOR]

Pages and pages and pages of such studies say it's true...you might want to invest. Just a little google gives one tons of info and I could paste these things in here all day long. Science is interested in the pumpkin seed...very interested in it. [quote url="[URL]http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/articles/91559748/comparative-studies-anthelmintic-potential-cucurbita-maxima-pumpkin-seeds-carica-papaya-papaya-seeds[/URL]"] http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/articles/91559748/comparative-studies-anthelmintic-potential-cucurbita-maxima-pumpkin-seeds-carica-papaya-papaya-seeds PUB. DATE July 2013 SOURCE International Journal of Research in Ayurveda Jul/Aug2013, Vol. 4 Issue 4, p530 SOURCE TYPE Academic Journal DOC. TYPE Article ABSTRACT The crude extract of Carica papaya (papaya) seeds (CP) and Cucurbita maxima (Pumpkin) seeds (CM) were assayed against adult earthworms (Pheretima posthuma) for the evaluation of anthelmintic activity. Various concentrations of both extracts were tested and results were expressed in terms of time for paralysis (P) and time for death (D) of worms. [COLOR=800080]Albendazole was used as a reference standard. The result showed that in both of the extracts (i.e. CP and CM) dose of 60 mg / ml possesses more wormicidal activity.[/COLOR] The time of paralysis was 1.88 ± 0.52 minute and 1.93 ± 0.57 minute whereas the time of death was 3.45 ± 0.17 minute and 4.90 ± 0.18 minute in the case of Carica papaya and Cucurbita maxima respectively. In conclusion, the use of seeds of Carica papaya (CP) and Cucurbita maxima (CM) for anthelmintic activity have been confirmed and further studies are suggested to isolate the active principles responsible for the activity. Both the extracts showed significant anthelmintic activity, but the comparative study showed that out of these two, Carica papaya proves to be a better anthelmintic remedy. [/quote] [quote url="[URL]http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/B9780123756886101100[/URL]"] http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/B9780123756886101100 The pumpkin Cucurbita moschata is an annual dicotyledonous vegetable, belonging to the Cucurbitaceae family. It is used as a medicinal plant for prostate and bladder problems, and as an anthelmintic, galactogogue, and anti-emetic. [COLOR=FF0000]Pumpkin seed is used as a vermifuge in several countries[/COLOR], and C. moschata seed contains a wide range of bioactive compounds, some of which could possess anthelmintic properties, prompting experimental studies. This chapter reviews the experimental data on the anthelmintic evaluation of C. moschata seed. This chapter outlines the pharmacological actions and potential uses of pumpkin and its extracts. Pumpkin seed oil contains 9.5-13% palmitic, 6-7.93% stearic, 0.04% arachidic, 37-39% oleic, and 44% linoleic acid. [COLOR=FF0000]The seed also contains a wide range of bioactive compounds. The aqueous extract of the seeds of C. moschata showed efficacy as an anthelmintic in humans. The use of aqueous extracts of pumpkin seeds in the treatment of puppies experimentally infected with heterophyasis gave promising results,[/COLOR] with even better results when combining extracts of areca nut and pumpkin seeds than when giving either extract alone. The secondary metabolites suspected to be responsible for anthelmintic activity in C. moschata seed are a triterpenic compound named cucurbitacin B, a non-proteic amino acid named cucurbitin, saponins, and sterols. The non-proteic amino acid cucurbitin, which is only present in the seeds, has been focused on as the active principle responsible for anthelmintic, notably taenicidal and schistosomicidal, activity. Cucurbitin is also used as an anti-allergen for the preparation of cosmetics and pharmaceuticals, particularly dermatological, products. Despite the focus on cucurbitin as the active principle, other secondary metabolites present in the seeds of C. moschata might also be considered as anthelmintics. The non-proteic amino acid cucurbitin (3-amino-pyrrolidine-3-carboxylic acid) is suspected to be the active principle. Cucurbitin was mostly reported to have no side effects, and only a weak level of toxicity was described in dogs and humans. [/quote] [quote url="[URL]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3103934/[/URL]"] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3103934/ [COLOR=008000]From the study, it is observed that Z. zerumbet has shown better activity than C. maxima at a higher concentration (100 mg/ml) compared to standard Albendazole (100 mg/ml). The comparison of death time for both the plants in different concentrations with respect to standard (Albendazole).[/COLOR] [/quote] [/quote] WOOHOO, Bee! Lol I knew I could count on you You put my meager research efforts to shame Thank you! That just points it right out does it not? Edit* I don't know how I possibly messed up the quotes and stuff... That was pretty much all Beekissed, just me being sarcastic with aart at the beginning lol; leave it to me to mess up quoting someone

 

[lazy gardener]

I think I need to put up a notice at church that I'll recycle all of those halloween pumpkins sitting on folks door steps. I wonder if other cucurbit seeds, or even the pulp possess any of the same powers? Interesting how God designed these fruits to mature and produce anti-helminthic seed at a time when it could be very beneficial to birds entering the lean months of winter!

 

[shortgrass]

I think I need to put up a notice at church that I'll recycle all of those halloween pumpkins sitting on folks door steps.  I wonder if other cucurbit seeds, or even the pulp possess any of the same powers?  Interesting how God designed these fruits to mature and produce anti-helminthic seed at a time when it could be very beneficial to  birds entering the lean months of winter!  

Absolutely; I was just thinking the same thing; how certain herbs spring up in spring just for certain reasons, and even past harvest, we have been given ways to aid our animals!

I found this, about "ivy gourds"; it states the WHOLE plant was used in the study, so I think that answers the question; all curcubits will possess the right "stuff", and its not just contained in the seeds, but the seeds have the highest concentration
http://dspace.ewubd.edu/handle/123456789/58

 

[Beekissed]

Do you notice the grasses that dogs and cats chew on at times, but especially in the spring? It's the tough, sharp edged grasses...those edges can slice your skin like the edge of a piece of paper, but it's much more jagged. Don't know the name of that grass, but all my life I've heard people who see these animals chewing that grass say, "They must have worms." That's an old saying that's passed down among generations. Foxes even chew that grass and I'm sure wolves do as well.

I said all of that to say this...the chickens target that grass also. I've seen them do it and I've opened crops and gizzards to find that tough, sharp grass inside...not exactly the tender grasses you'd think they'd eat, is it? I'm of the belief that this sharp grass is consumed for the reason of cutting up any possible parasites in the small intestines. I can't think of any other reason they would eat that tough, nasty stuff when all the tender, sweet stuff can be found in abundance.

If left to free range on good pasture/woodland, I think these birds take care of their own parasites just fine. I've killed hundreds and hundreds of birds and only found worms in one of them...and that one had spent a year in a bad situation, confined to a concrete floored pen that was overcrowded and filthy, and had just returned to me. She had tapeworms, of all things, and didn't transmit them to any other birds in the flock, nor to the dogs that live here(another benefit of free ranging). That's also a good reason to do a yearly cull for nonlayers...usually if they are of laying age and are not laying, there's a mighty good reason and they need to be eliminated from the flock.

 

[lazy gardener]

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