Fermenting Feed for Meat Birds

[All4MrD8a]

Alright guys. I'm getting ready to make a small container(Only have two chicks) of FF for when I get the chicks. What kind of grains can I mix in with the chick starter? non anacronymed please just to be sure I don't mistake anything. Like I have NO idea what BOSS is

You may ferment any feed, including starter feed, grower feed, layer feed, scratch, or any whole grain. (BOSS is black oil sunflower seed.) My 4 pound mature layers eat .2 lbs or less of feed per hen per day. (This is the weight before adding water to ferment.)

A simplified approach for chicks would be to ferment a non-medicated feed. Ferment a weeks worth at a time and then just scoop out what you need for one day.

 

[aoxa]

You may ferment any feed, including starter feed, grower feed, layer feed, scratch, or any whole grain. (BOSS is black oil sunflower seed.) My 4 pound mature layers eat .2 lbs or less of feed per hen per day. (This is the weight before adding water to ferment.)

A simplified approach for chicks would be to ferment a non-medicated feed. Ferment a weeks worth at a time and then just scoop out what you need for one day.

My 7 chicks eat less than a little cream cheese container a day.

I bet the two would eat less than a peanut butter jar top a day. So I would use little yoghurt containers to ferment the feed, as they are just not going to eat enough to do any more than that a week. Especially silkies

 

[camilleathome]

My 7 chicks eat less than a little cream cheese container a day.

I bet the two would eat less than a peanut butter jar top a day. So I would use little yoghurt containers to ferment the feed, as they are just not going to eat enough to do any more than that a week. Especially silkies

Will this do? From comments ive seen I probably will need to remove a bit to let more water come up on top. Or get a better container. this was just all I had on hand XD

 

[TamTurkey]

I am feeding pseudo ff to my culls to see if I see a difference in them. They have all had wet feed just no ff. I am doing it with show finisher and I cheated by adding live probiotics powder to the starter water / acc.

 

[Lacy Blues]

I add hot water from my faucet. Too hot and you kill the stuff that is percolating your ferment.

My FF sometimes bubbles and sometimes doesn't. I notice it bubbles more if my house is warmer and I let it sit longer covered with liquid before taking any out of it.

I used snipped up dried because it's winter here and the Oregano in the garden isn't growing yet. For the chick bucket of FF I used up a bottle of flake Oregano from my spice shelf. I watched my Bantam RIR and Silkie chicks especially search and pick out those little green bits this morning.

just wondering... why do you use oregano in your mix?

I have used thyme. I have used it fresh as well as dried so the person that asked about that... I think you can. I try not to get too much in the servings because I want it to last longer than a day. They eat it up!

 

[groverlvchx]

just wondering... why do you use oregano in your mix?

I have used thyme. I have used it fresh as well as dried so the person that asked about that... I think you can. I try not to get too much in the servings because I want it to last longer than a day. They eat it up!

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[aoxa]

just wondering... why do you use oregano in your mix?

I have used thyme. I have used it fresh as well as dried so the person that asked about that... I think you can. I try not to get too much in the servings because I want it to last longer than a day. They eat it up!

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The experience of Scott Sechler, Bell & Evans’s owner, with using oregano oil led to a test at Country View Family Farms.
Oregano lies loose in trays and tied into bunches on tabletops and counters, and a big, blue drum that held oregano oil stands in the corner. “Have you ever tried oregano tea?” Mr. Sechler asked, mashing leaves between his broad fingers.
Off and on over the last three years or so, his chickens have been eating a specially milled diet laced with oregano oil and a touch of cinnamon. Mr. Sechler swears by the concoction as a way to fight off bacterial diseases that plague meat and poultry producers without resorting toantibiotics, which some experts say can be detrimental to the humans who eat the meat. Products at Bell & Evans, based in this town about 30 miles east of Harrisburg, have long been free of antibiotics, contributing to the company’s financial success as consumers have demanded purer foods.
But Mr. Sechler said that nothing he had used as a substitute in the past worked as well as oregano oil.
“I have worried a bit about how I’m going to sound talking about this,” he said. “But I really do think we’re on to something here.”
Skeptics of herbal medicines abound, as any quick Internet search demonstrates. “Oil of oregano is a perennial one, advertised as a cure for just about everything,” said Scott Gavura, a pharmacist in Toronto who writes for the Web site Science-Based Medicine. “But there isn’t any evidence, there are too many unanswered questions and the only proponents for it are the ones producing it.”
Nonetheless, Mr. Gavura said he would welcome a reduction in the use of antibiotics in animals.
At the same time, consumers are growing increasingly sophisticated about the content of the foods that they eat.
Data on sales of antibiotic-free meat is hard to come by, but the sales are a tiny fraction of the overall meat market. Sales in the United States of organic meat, poultry and fish, which by law must be raised without antibiotics, totaled $538 million in 2011, according to the Organic Trade Association. By comparison, sales of all beef that year were $79 billion.
Still, retailers like Costco, Whole Foods and Trader Joe’s, as well as some restaurant chains, complain that they cannot get enough antibiotic-free meat.
Noodles & Company, a fast-growing chain of more than 300 restaurants, recently added antibiotic-free pork to the choices of ingredients that customers can add to their made-to-order pastas. It ensured its supply by ordering cuts of meat that were not in relatively high demand and by committing in advance to buy a year’s worth, said Dan Fogarty, its executive vice president for marketing.
“We’re deliberately voting with our pocketbooks,” he said.
In a nationwide telephone survey of 1,000 adults in March, more than 60 percent told the Consumer Reports National Research Center that they would be willing to pay at least 5 cents a pound more for meat raised without antibiotics.
“Before, it was kind of a nice little business, and while it’s still microscopic in the grand scheme of things, we’re seeing acceptance from retailers across the country, not just in California and on the East Coast,” said Stephen McDonnell, founder and chief executive ofApplegate, an organic and natural meats company.
Mr. McDonnell said a confluence of trends, from heightened interest in whole and natural foods to growing concerns about medical problems like diabetes, obesity and glutenallergies, were contributing to the demand for antibiotic-free meat.
There is growing concern among health care experts and policy makers about antibiotic resistance and the rise of “superbugs,” bacteria that are impervious to one or more antibiotics. Those bacteria can be passed on to consumers, who eat meat infected with them and then cannot be treated.
In November, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and 25 national health organizations and advocacy groups issued a statement on antibiotics that, among other things, called for “limiting the use of medically important human antibiotics in food animals” and “supporting the use of such antibiotics in animals only for those uses that are considered necessary for assuring animal health.”
In 2011, there were several prominent recalls involving bacterial strains that are resistant to antibiotics, including more than 60 million pounds of ground beef contaminated withsalmonella Typhimurium and about 36 million pounds of ground turkey spoiled with salmonella Heidelberg.
Consumer Reports released a study last month that found the bacteria Yersinia enterocolitica in 69 percent of 198 pork chop and ground pork samples bought at stores around the country. Some of the bacteria were resistant to one or more antibiotics.
Analysis of Food and Drug Administration data by the Center for Science in the Public Interest found that 80 percent of all antibiotics sold in the United States are used in animals. The majority of those antibiotics are used to spur growth or prevent infections from spreading in the crowded conditions in which most animal production takes place today.
The European Union has banned the use of antibiotics to accelerate growth, and the European Parliament is pushing to end their use as tools to prevent disease as well.
The oregano oil product Mr. Sechler uses, By-O-Reg Plus, is made by a Dutch company,Ropapharm International. In the late 1990s, Bayer conducted trials on the product, known as Ropadiar in Europe, comparing its ability to control diarrhea in piglets caused by E. coli with that of four of the company’s products.


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In all four test groups, Ropadiar outperformed the Bayer products. “Strange but true!” Dr. Lucio Nisoli, the Bayer product manager, wrote in his report on the trial. “Compared to the various anti-infectives, with Ropadiar I have obtained much more effective and quicker results. Furthermore, piglets treated with Ropadiar look much more healthy and were not so dehydrated and wasted.”

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Over the last six months, about 5,000 pigs at Country View Family Farms have eaten feed laced with By-O-Reg after being weaned from their mothers.

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Astrid Köhler, a spokeswoman in Monheim, Germany, for Bayer Healthcare’s animal health business, confirmed that the company had done the trial but said that “in further evaluations the results of the first study could not be replicated with the same species, nor with other species.”
Other testing is rare. A test of oregano oil on four small farms in Maine, which was financed by a $9,914 grant from the Agriculture Department, found it was effective in controlling the parasites and worms that afflict goats and sheep.
Dr. Harry G. Preuss, a professor of physiology and biology at the Georgetown University Medical Center, studied the effectiveness of oregano oil on 18 mice infected with staph bacteria. Six mice were given oregano oil, and half survived for the full 30 days of the treatment. Six received carvacrol, regarded by many experts to be the antibacterial component in oregano, in olive oil, and none of them survived longer than 21 days. Six other mice received only olive oil and died within three days.
The study, which was underwritten by a company, North American Herb and Spice, and presented at a meeting of the American College of Nutrition in 2001, was repeated and all those findings were corroborated, Dr. Preuss said.
Dr. Preuss said he had applied to the National Institutes of Health for financing of a larger study, with no luck so far. “This is really promising, particularly when you consider that we are facing a crisis in our hospitals and health systems with the increasing resistance to antibiotics,” he said.
After hearing about Bell & Evans’s use of oregano oil, Bob Ruth, the president of Country View Family Farms, a Pennsylvania-based company, decided to test it on some of his pigs. Over the last six months, about 5,000 pigs have eaten feed laced with By-O-Reg after being weaned from their mothers.
“The preliminary results are encouraging, but we need to be sure it’s giving us the results we need to give us the confidence to start using it more broadly,” Mr. Ruth said.
Mr. Ruth and Mr. Sechler warned that using oregano oil to control bacterial infection also requires maintaining high standards of sanitation in barns where animals are sheltered, as well as good ventilation and light, and a good nutrition program.
After a chicken flock leaves a barn at Bell & Evans for slaughter, for instance, the facility is hosed down, its water lines are cleaned out and everything is disinfected. It sits empty for two to three weeks to allow bacteria to die off and to ensure that the rodents that carry salmonella and campylobacter are eliminated.
“You can’t just replace antibiotics with oregano oil and expect it to work,” Mr. Sechler said.​

 

[Mumsy]

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I use garlic oil in my waterers with UN-ACV and Oregano in their feed as a natural health booster. All can be thought of as a preventive antibiotic. I like to up my chicks health without feeding medicine in the store bought feed but by using all natural ingrediants. No pasty bums. Seven healthy chicks running around in the chick house. It's working for them.

 

[Lacy Blues]

That's really good information. Thank you for posting. I will undoubtedly start using oregano in my feed now. I have also been using thyme on occasion, not constantly but maybe once a week or so, as a preventive. Cinnamon too? I know that insects don't like cinnamon, is this the reason for feeding it? So that it would repel mites and lice from the inside or as a repellant only for internal worms?

 

[LilyD]

We just had a grainary move into the neighborhood so I talked to the owner today about how much it would be to custom mix me a whole grain feed in 50lb bags using wheat, oat, barley, field peas and field corn to ferment and then top dress with a little kelp meal for added nutrients. He is checking on pricing for me but I am pretty excited. His feed is non GMO and is organic so the chickens would be eating much better than what I am getting to ferment now from the feed store.

Question for anyone who has been doing the FF longer than me. Can you feed FF whole grains to chicks as long as you grind it up so that it is small enough for them to eat?