Fermenting Feed for Meat Birds

[rambunctious]

Your recipie has too much UPACV.

Try 2 cups dry mash
1 tablespoon UPACV
3 cups water ...stir.... check in an hour and you will need to add more water
Baby chicks eat so very little. At two weeks old these chicks eat about 2 cups of mash a day


I also give them spinach, peas, ground raw meats and raw chicken/beef/pork bones to pick on.

Thank you!! When you give them other things..do you have to give them chick grit too?

 

[Toast n Jelly]

Lactic Acid Fermentation

Vegetables are important to canine health, and although advocates of home-prepared diets debate the quantity of vegetable matter dogs should consume, all agree that vegetables contain essential nutrients that are not provided by other foods. Cats do not require vegetables for optimum health, as Dr. Pottenger proved, but many breeders report good results from adding small amounts of raw vegetables to their food.
One way to help dogs and cats digest vegetables is to puree them. Blenders and food processors make this task easy, and pureed root vegetables like carrots and parsnips, leafy herbs such as parsley, and grasses like wheat grass or barley grass can be added to every meal with good results.
Another way to improve the digestibility of vegetables is with lactic-acid fermentation, and a growing body of research indicates that this method both prevents and helps cure cancer and other serious illnesses. According to William J. Fischer in How to Fight Cancer and Win,15 lactic acid fermentation produces vitamin C, B vitamins, enzymes that support metabolic activity, choline which balances and nourishes the blood, and acetylcholine which tones the nerves, calms the mind and improves sleep patterns. Lactic acid is also a chemical repressor that fights cancer cells without harming healthy cells. Lactic-acid fermentation imitates the digestion of plant foods in the stomachs of small animals that dogs and cats in the wild would eat.
As with any new food, introduce fermented vegetables gently and in small quantities. For dogs and cats that are slow to accept new foods, this can be as little as a fraction of a teaspoon mixed with the animal's regular food, increasing the amount a little each day. Whatever vegetables a canine or feline menu plan recommends can be replaced with a slightly smaller quantity, such as 10 to 15 percent less by volume, of lacto-fermented fare. Fermentation and pressing condense the vegetables and concentrate their nutrients. The resulting liquid, which looks like water but is really the vegetables' juice, is a rich source of lactic acid and other nutrients. It can be added in small amounts, such as 1 or 2 tablespoons at a time, to a pet's food and drinking water.
For more detailed instructions, see The Cultured Cabbage: Rediscovering the Art of Making Sauerkraut by Klaus Kaufmann and Annelies Schoeneck21 or Nourishing Traditions by Sally Fallon.23 Lacto-fermented vegetables are sold in some health food stores.22



I can post more if more is needed. Many books and articles done by health professionals all over the world. This is strictly about dogs and cats and vegetables.

http://sagepetfoods.com/2012/02/benefits-of-fermentation/

HI Delisha

I truly appreciate you taking the time to post!

However, I have been feeding raw for ages until recently and now I part feed raw per day. I don't believe in feeding veggies to a carnivore even tho the kibble has veggies in it along with a lot of other things that I can't pronounce and I don't think I'd want to ferment the unknown quality of what is being used, but thank you for clearing it up for me. BTW I ferment my own veggies for us people...any and all from my garden and the veggie stand in the summer/fall and I'm very aware of the benefits.

 

[my sunwolf]

Just wanted to let everyone know that I just started fermenting last week and it's going great. I went as simple as possible and bought a huge bag of whole oats, then put them in a Lowes bucket with a lot of water and a splash of homemade apple cider vinegar. I stir it about once a day. Fed it to the hens for the first time a few days ago and they LOVED it. Seemed to perk them up in this cold, get their appetites and their thirst up. I have to wait a little longer to see if there are any long term effects like poop amount, poop smelliness, egg count, etc. I added more oats and water and am making more because they loved it so much. Every time I stir it, it gets little bubbles. The oats smell a little sour but not too bad. I keep it covered with a thin dish cloth. Usually the water covers the oats completely, I just took the picture right after adding the new batch so they have yet to get really heavy and sink.



Thanks for the excellent thread on FF!

 

[Lacy Blues]

HI Delisha

I truly appreciate you taking the time to post!

However, I have been feeding raw for ages until recently and now I part feed raw per day. I don't believe in feeding veggies to a carnivore even tho the kibble has veggies in it along with a lot of other things that I can't pronounce and I don't think I'd want to ferment the unknown quality of what is being used, but thank you for clearing it up for me. BTW I ferment my own veggies for us people...any and all from my garden and the veggie stand in the summer/fall and I'm very aware of the benefits.

A dog isn't just a carnivore, it is a scavenger. When a dog kills something to eat, guess what it eats out of that animal first? Yep, it's stomach and the contents. That is the way they get their veggies - predigested or another word would be "fermented."

Just sayin'

 

[knjinnm]

Just wanted to let everyone know that I just started fermenting last week and it's going great. I went as simple as possible and bought a huge bag of whole oats, then put them in a Lowes bucket with a lot of water and a splash of homemade apple cider vinegar. I stir it about once a day. Fed it to the hens for the first time a few days ago and they LOVED it. Seemed to perk them up in this cold, get their appetites and their thirst up. I have to wait a little longer to see if there are any long term effects like poop amount, poop smelliness, egg count, etc. I added more oats and water and am making more because they loved it so much. Every time I stir it, it gets little bubbles. The oats smell a little sour but not too bad. I keep it covered with a thin dish cloth. Usually the water covers the oats completely, I just took the picture right after adding the new batch so they have yet to get really heavy and sink.



Thanks for the excellent thread on FF!

Are your birds eating anything else besides FF oats?
Sounds like moonshine if it is just oats, no wonder the birds like it.

 

[knjinnm]

A dog isn't just a carnivore, it is a scavenger. When a dog kills something to eat, guess what it eats out of that animal first? Yep, it's stomach and the contents. That is the way they get their veggies - predigested or another word would be "fermented."

Just sayin'

A friend of mine fed her dogs raw chicken but she would wrap some of the chicken around cooked greens and carrots, the dogs ate everything.

 

[Lacy Blues]

Cooking is a form of pre-digesting too.

 

[Toast n Jelly]

Quote:
Just one of many google answers to "Does a dog eat stomach contents" http://www.naturalcanines.com/gpage2new.html

Sorry... back to chickens before this thread is shut for being way off the main subject.

My chickens are doing great on FF.

 

[my sunwolf]

Are your birds eating anything else besides FF oats?
Sounds like moonshine if it is just oats, no wonder the birds like it.

Oooh never thought of that. It hasn't been fermenting very long. They also get 20% layer pellets from a local mill, which I assume includes some animal byproducts, corn, soy, and wheat. And of course, kitchen scraps, of which there haven't been very many lately

I'm learning how to waste less and the hens get screwed? Poor girls.

 

[blessedchick]

I have been feeding ff to my LF and juvie/adult silkies since October, but have kept my chicks on dry (dunno why). I just started fermenting for the babies in one of those 5 quart buckets and they seem to love it! I did a test on my 2 day olds yesterday and offered them the dry food in one feeder, the fermented in another. They POLISHED OFF the ff and left the dry...I saw them picking at it last night before I had a chance to fill up their ff bowl. So awesome that they love it! They also get scrambled eggs and warm oatmeal for treats...the ff is straight Chick Starter with U-ACV/water.

I'm also investing in more heated dog bowls to keep the ff from freezing during these cold snaps. Once I get all these initial investments made I'm sure that I will be saving money on feed. Also, I'm not as concerned with keeping everyone hydrated since the feed helps so much in that department. Excellent all the way around!