Fermenting Feed for Meat Birds

[yinepu]

I googled "benefits of fermented feed" and came up with the same article as Miledero, I don't think it matters what animal it is, the feed should still have the same amount of nutritional values. But I personally am not going to feed it fermented. This is what I am doing

Sprouting seeds as healthy treats for my chickens.

..... not FEED... FOOD...

here.. clicky linky :
https://www.google.com/webhp?source...2I&fp=623bb94042e843ac&ion=1&biw=1600&bih=809



cattle have also been fed fermented food for hundreds of years (silage)

 

[Mikedero]

Well.. first of all I don't know who The people are that you are asking me if they tracked the progress... people who use fermented feed for their chickens?.. or people who use fermented foods for themselves?.. first of all that's a question I can't answer plainly because there are a lot of people out there who do both.. and since I haven't read every single link on the internet I don't know who all kept records of what.. which wasn't my point anyway.. i was only suggesting that you look into fermented food AS A WHOLE and NOT just for poultry.

As to why everyone doesn't do it..
well.. first not everyone has heard of it..
some people are also just stuck in their way of doing things and don't want to try anything new
for example: Emu meat has been proven to be better for you that beef.. but the bottom fell out of the emu meat industry because the average person just wasn't ready to embrace an alternative meat source because they had been brought up to eat beef instead.. so emu meat was too exotic and scary
Some people also get kickback from the feed industry.. asking them to try a method which would (in the end if everyone were to do it ) would hurt Monsanto plus other grain producers .. naturally they will refuse
Poultry industry (meat birds, broiler industry) contracts call for the producer to feed the food that is in their contract.. usually bought from the company which supplies the chicks as well as processes them for meat.. they have set ways of doing things and do not want to change them since change is "scary" and not profitable (feed storage and automatic feeders would all have to be changed resulting in more cost.. plus many also own stock in Monsanto. You will find that 99% of the broiler producers can not feed anything other than what is stated in their contract.. and since they are being charged for the feed supplied by the company that holds their contract ..naturally the holders of those contracts want as much profit off of each bird as possible. so cutting back on feed by fermenting it would cost them profit they make off of the farmers who grow out the birds.

omit the "chicken" from your search

google "BENEFITS OF FERMENTED FOOD" as I stated in my post.. I did NOT suggest you google "benefits of CHICKEN fermented food"

We are talking about feed for chickens that is why I added it. I have zero interest in eating fermented food at all I am good with that.

I agree with you on the statement that at a large scale like your talking about it would be a issue.

I am just not seeing it as a good idea, not saying a bad idea as the link I posted from the guy on backyard chickens that did a side by side study if you read the post
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/672135/meatie-experiment-ff-vs-crumbles

you will see it is cheaper raising meat birds on regular feed

 

[Kilsharion]

..... not FEED... FOOD...





cattle have also been fed fermented food for hundreds of years (silage)

Actually just reading through the thousands of links that show up when you read about fermented feed (using their search) shows up tons of information on cattle feed, pig feed, all sorts of feed. You don't even have to go so far as to look at "food". Heck, the last half of the FIRST page is:

1. Fermented Feeds
   
   
   www.agriking.com/index.php?option=com_content&view...
   Forage/Grain Treatment Savings Calculators Fermented Feeds. contact-us-topmenu-18 Contact Us; upcoming-shows Upcoming Shows; links-topmenu-20 ...
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   Fermented Pig Feed (pigs forum at permies)
   
   
   www.permies.com › forums › critters › pigs
   12 posts - 8 authors - May 20, 2011
   I've been doing a lot of research lately into the benefits of fermenting grains and vegetable matter for pig food. In a few studies I'
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   Effect of Fermented Feed on the Microbial Population of the ...
   
   
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   by RL van Winsen - 2001 - Cited by 85 - Related articles
   ABSTRACT. An in vivo experiment was performed with pigs to study the inhibitory effect of fermented feed on the bacterial population of the gastrointestinal tract.
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   Fermented Feeds Hog/Swine Feeding BY conrado - YouTube
   
   
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Of course, if you only look at the top five results...well

 

[Mikedero]

..... not FEED... FOOD...

here.. clicky linky :
https://www.google.com/webhp?source...2I&fp=623bb94042e843ac&ion=1&biw=1600&bih=809



cattle have also been fed fermented food for hundreds of years (silage)

Are you ok?? the reason I ask is that we are talking about Chicken feed (ok food) but for chickens. that is what this thread and posts are about.

Sorry that link has nothign to do with the topic we are on poultry and like person above stated i am going to do sprouts as well. I also found out about how easy it is to grow sod and put that in for them to eat.

these below have nothing to do with livestock feed





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   Nov 19, 2012 – Such foods aid in digestion and support the immune system.
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   8 Reasons to Eat Fermented Foods
   
   
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[fishermans wife]

Ok, So granted I'm only on page 100 of 484, but I'm starting my new layers (just got them yesterday!!!) on FF. I'm using scratch mixed with whole oats (it was cheap at the feed store) I've had it going in a two bucket setup for two and a half days, and still no ferment. I rinsed it with hot water twice, covered it with warm, added maybe 1/4 C Braggs ACV (it's maybe erm... 2 quarts of feed?? Dry?? It's swollen some now of course) and covered it with an old towel. I've stirred it a couple times a day. Am I being impatient? Is it too cold? I'm keeping it in the laundry room which is at the back end of the house from the woodstove because it's away from possible cross contamination from the kitchen and safe from the toddlers/cat/dog/crawling infant.

Right now I'm just giving them the dry grains and table scraps, + free choice grit/oyster shell. They're shut up in the coop for a week or so until they figure out it's "Home" so no free range. I want to get the FF in there as soon as I can..... worried that I have someone managed to screw up what is essentially a very simple process....

I had the same issue last week and someone here suggested adding a tablespoon of dry yeast. I added a teaspoon as I already had ACV in it - and it started fermenting much better overnight!

 

[yinepu]

Quote: and since there weren't hundreds of scientific studies on feeding chickens fermented feed is why I suggested looking into fermented FOOD in general.. hoping that it would shed some light on benefits since there have been studies on it.

I have raised meat birds before on regular feed.. they made such a mess of it I know they wasted a lot.. with the fermented feed I can see the waste being a lot less.. since I don't raise my birds on wire there is no way to recover all that wasted feed .. (impossible for me to sift it from the dirt) so in my experience with seeing the waste between fermented and non fermented.. I'll stick with saving money and go for the less waste.. wasted feed isn't feeding anything but the worms and bugs.. it's not adding meat to the bird's frame. Since I spend well over 150. a week on feed I prefer it to go INSIDE the bird than on the ground. Even with raised feeders my meat birds still wasted too much feed to make it cost effective.

 

[Kjordanov]

..... not FEED... FOOD... 

here.. clicky linky :
https://www.google.com/webhp?source...2I&fp=623bb94042e843ac&ion=1&biw=1600&bih=809



cattle have also been fed fermented food for hundreds of years (silage)

Feed and food are the same thing...!? "I had to go buy more feed" OR "I had to go buy more food"

 

[Mikedero]

and since there weren't hundreds of scientific studies on feeding chickens fermented feed is why I suggested looking into fermented FOOD in general.. hoping that it would shed some light on benefits since there have been studies on it.

I have raised meat birds before on regular feed.. they made such a mess of it I know they wasted a lot.. with the fermented feed I can see the waste being a lot less.. since I don't raise my birds on wire there is no way to recover all that wasted feed .. (impossible for me to sift it from the dirt) so in my experience with seeing the waste between fermented and non fermented.. I'll stick with saving money and go for the less waste.. wasted feed isn't feeding anything but the worms and bugs.. it's not adding meat to the bird's frame. Since I spend well over 150. a week on feed I prefer it to go INSIDE the bird than on the ground. Even with raised feeders my meat birds still wasted too much feed to make it cost effective.

So I take it you did not look at the link to the other thread i posted?

So far I am good with my choice to just feed regular feed, we can agree to disagree there is nothing wrong with that at all.

thanks again for the info

 

[yinepu]

Quote:
and again

so if fermenting food for people HAS been proven to offer health benefits... am I to assume by your reluctance to consider it as a whole that you believe it proves it has 0 benefits for other life forms.

the links have to do with fermenting FOOD.. since you could only find ONE "scientific" study relating to chickens I was trying to be helpful and so I offered that info to show benefits of fermenting food in general which I have had to state over and over again.....

common sense tells me that if fermenting food has been proven to be beneficial for one type of life form it should hold true for most others as well since the act of fermentation is the same

 

[Mikedero]

and again

so if fermenting food for people HAS been proven to offer health benefits... am I to assume by your reluctance to consider it as a whole that you believe it proves it has 0 benefits for other life forms.

the links have to do with fermenting FOOD.. since you could only find ONE "scientific" study relating to chickens I was trying to be helpful and so I offered that info to show benefits of fermenting food in general which I have had to state over and over again.....

common sense tells me that if fermenting food has been proven to be beneficial for one type of life form it should hold true for most others as well since the act of fermentation is the same

Again thanks for your help but I am all set. Like I stated we are talking chicken feed here. Not just ONE study but several including one done right on this board. For the small differences it is not worth my time. I am good thank you

So by what your saying everyone should be eating fermented food all the time. I mean there are allot of things out there that are good does that mean that is all you eat.

thank you but I am all set