Fermenting Feed for Meat Birds

[Lacy Blues]

1 teaspoon of vinegar to 1 cup of milk will work as a replacement for butter milk. let it sit about 5 min before using.

Thank you.

B/c you don't have to worry about your trees w/ a cow like you do a goat, and cows don't tend to be nearly as eager to breach a fence as goats, and copious amounts of poop for the garden. (that is why I would consider the mini cow vs goat.)

Very good points! although the thing about trimming trees wouldn't be nearly so problematic if you had a mini cow.

Yeah...I wouldn't have a goat if someone gave me one. Seriously. My sisters used to keep goats and the only breed I'd even consider are Boers and only if I could run them with my hair sheep. Goats are the thugs and miscreants of the livestock world....bah!

And they stink more than any animal should ever stink...they stink more than pigs!

... and HOW!

 

[Kassaundra]

I do the vinegar and milk thing anytime I bake w/ milk to clabber it, only I tend to do measuring the Beekissed way, a glug or splash of vinegar into a goodly amount of milk. lol lol lol

 

[NickyPick]

Ooooo, thanks for that. We've been out of buttermilk for pancakes and didn't know about this. How much do you think you should add to how much milk?

The recipe I use is 3/4 cup milk with 2 tablespoons of white vinegar. Let sit 5 minutes to "sour"

 

[cutechick2010]

Yeah...I wouldn't have a goat if someone gave me one. Seriously. My sisters used to keep goats and the only breed I'd even consider are Boers and only if I could run them with my hair sheep. Goats are the thugs and miscreants of the livestock world....bah!

And they stink more than any animal should ever stink...they stink more than pigs!

Whaaat? How could you speak so about goats, my sweet babies? LOL Seriously though, I have always kept Nubians, and my goats have always been super sweet and loving. My wether comes and stands on the fence every morning and wants his neck scratched, and will give me kisses if I let him. My doe has a stronger sense of her own dignity LOL, but still likes to be petted. The only goat that smells bad is a rutting buck, and he really only smells about two or three months out of the year. I have only ever had one goat that wouldn't stay in the fence, she actually figured out how to reach through the fence and undo the latch, so she got sold. But the rest of my big ol' Nubians have always stayed put in the fence, I use cattle panels for them.

 

[3 NH reds]

I am sure this is in here but here goes. If I use apple juice and Bragg's acv is this the same as using cider? Is it just the good culture that makes it great? Not thinking I can find cider for a cheap price.

 

[Leahs Mom]

I am sure this is in here but here goes. If I use apple juice and Bragg's acv is this the same as using cider? Is it just the good culture that makes it great? Not thinking I can find cider for a cheap price.

You can make vinegar from juice or cider. However, it goes through a couple of stages. First you get the "hard" cider stage, then with more time it turns to vinegar.

The simple explanation is that the "good bacteria and yeasts" are consuming the sugars in the juice. As they digest the sugars, they create an acid environment - thus the tangy, acid taste in vinegar.

So...juice or cider w/mother vinegar added is just juice or cider with mother vinegar added. (Now that was a profound statement...

) But if you give it time to ferment, the cultures in the mother will proliferate by living on the sugars, and convert them to the vinegar you're desiring!

If you're using a bottled or frozen juice, it will have been pasteurized and will take a bit longer than raw pressed apple juice that hasn't been pasteurized...but it will turn. Main thing is having a plentiful supply of the good culture working the juice - which you'd be adding by putting in the unpasteruized, raw acv mother.

 

[Suzierd]

Do you think it will be ok to feed my goats any left over FF at the end of the day? I don't worry about the grains but not so sure about protien? I do a mix of Flock raiser, organic layer, Nutrena layer and scratch.

Anybody know?

 

[Pozees]

Anybody know?

I don't know of a reason off the top of my head, can't think of anything in there that would harm a goat.

 

[aoxa]

Check out all the sheep cheeses!  http://www.artisanalcheese.com/Sheeps-Milk-Cheese/products/1158/

It is said that sheep's milk taste like good, rich Jersey milk and I can believe it...it puts the fat on a lamb like crazy!  My Kat was a very milky ewe and would let me reach down and milk her right out in the field if she was busy eating...which she usually was. 

I did not know this.. One more reason to lean to sheep rather than goats for Clem's large livestock animal.. We have been discussing this a lot with the trainer. A goat would be tough on the gardens... Sheep are much less destructive that way aren't they? And they can be productive for milk? Awesome! Almost sold! lol

 

[delisha]

Yeah...I wouldn't have a goat if someone gave me one. Seriously. My sisters used to keep goats and the only breed I'd even consider are Boers and only if I could run them with my hair sheep. Goats are the thugs and miscreants of the livestock world....bah!

And they stink more than any animal should ever stink...they stink more than pigs!

And the meat and milk taste like they smell..ugh..