Fox attack - limp neck

[Kiki]

She could have worms which causes poopy butt too.

 

[Loona]

She could have worms which causes poopy butt too.

The poop is really clearing up. The first day her poops were runny as can be and the next days smelled fiercely, and the next day, which I believe was yesterday (getting hard to keep up) the poop seemed to be normalizing and not so stinky at all. Has been rather semi-normal poops since. I think the yogurt has helped. Its a curious thing that sudden egg laying and poopy butt occurred at the same time, and perhaps a vent problem that we did not see prior to. This is her poop from this morning:

 

[biophiliac]

The poop is really clearing up. The first day her poops were runny as can be and the next days smelled fiercely, and the next day, which I believe was yesterday (getting hard to keep up) the poop seemed to be normalizing and not so stinky at all. Has been rather semi-normal poops since. I think the yogurt has helped. Its a curious thing that sudden egg laying and poopy butt occurred at the same time, and perhaps a vent problem that we did not see prior to. This is her poop from this morning:
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@casportpony ? very dark?

 

[Loona]

This is the egg she laid this morning. May have been in her since the attack and she finally had the strength to lay it.

 

[biophiliac]

Can this help you to visualize the area?

 

[6PeckinChickens]

No, no poop coming out of that area. Those scalloped edges seem to be the dirty part. When I cleaned it yesterday, I saw some yellowish looking tissue. I thought it was poop, but it's not, so that was another reason I thought to start a/b. After cleaning it looked like a yellowish soft scab forming.

Yes we looked at the vent of another hen and I see pretty much what your picture shows a normal vent. So when I look at her vent I just got so perplexed.

Here is what is curious: before this attack, it was quite wonderful because Olga started laying eggs again after almost a year in September. We couldn't believe it, because we were just talking about it. Was so funny! Thereafter she laid 2 more eggs, and then came the attack : \
As I carried her into the house in the middle of the night and looking her over I noticed she had some clumpy poopy-butt feathers. I asked my daughter if she had been sick? She said no, but she did have some clumpy poopy feathers. It was not bad, I've seen bad poopy butt, but the clumpy feathers were there. So maybe she had something going on from laying eggs again. Maybe it was swollen or prolapsed slightly and that is how the fox got a hold of it. I don't know though, I'm only guessing. Suddenly laying eggs, slight poopy butt, maybe a swollen vent, and she also had very runny poop after the attack, smelled really foul, and now that she is being cared for indoor and she's getting yogurt, her poops have stiffened up. It could all be coincidental that she had something going on just before the attack. Ah, I'll never really know.
Thank you for your help!

The yellowish soft scab forming is the tissue reepithelizing (growing back). I don't know much about chickens, but if this was a human you would want to irrigate out the wound with sterile water and hydrogen peroxide and see where the wound goes. If it is just a puncture wound and the swelling is causing the vent to pop out you could either just keep it clean irrigating it 2-3 times a day, or you could pack it with wet to dry dressings changing it once a day. Some ideas for you that we did in cosmetic surgery, I'm sure it would work on a chicken! I hope that she continues on the road to recovery, she seems like a tough girl!

 

[Summer Lion]

So glad to hear it's not bone, that's really good news. Again, I am not a chicken anatomy expert, could be a slight tear and /or prolaps, hopefully someone who is better able to identify it will chime in. For now it sounds like you are doing everything you can and it seems to be working. I am very impressed with your hard work, give yourself a pat on the back. Just keep her vent as clean as you can. Love the urine spray!! Let that bad thing know who's territory it's dealing with and be prepared to get rid of it. Kisses to Olga, she seems to be a fighter and a tough girl. Good for her. and please keep us up dated, I truely do want to know how she is doing. Thoughts and prayers your way everyday

Sending love and light both to you and to Olga. You're doing above and beyond, bless your heart!

 

[FlyingNunFarm]

I used this photo again so I could hopefully make things clear. If you post a blank photo of her vent I'll draw on it.

So the green line points to were I think her vent is still attached. The red lines are what appears to be torn. I would put steri strips like the black lines.

The green lines I added are were I think Olga is torn on the outside. As long as those wounds don't enter the "plumbing" shown in the picture I think you're safe from poop getting into her wounds.

Her dirty butt before the attack could have just been a dirty butt. Sometimes it happens. The stinky poop could have been from the stress of the attack. My thoughts on why the fox went for the vent are not pleasant but I'll share them... it's the easiest way to the organs. A lot of carnivores hunt and eat that way.

It sounds like she is doing pretty good all things considered. I'd keep up with the antibiotics. Keep a good eye on her green neck too. It could be really bad bruising.

I like 6MotherCluckers description of packing the wounds. If the punctures on her neck are deep enough you could do the same with those.

You're doing great! Keep it up and keep us posted!

 

[Loona]

The yellowish soft scab forming is the tissue reepithelizing (growing back). I don't know much about chickens, but if this was a human you would want to irrigate out the wound with sterile water and hydrogen peroxide and see where the wound goes. If it is just a puncture wound and the swelling is causing the vent to pop out you could either just keep it clean irrigating it 2-3 times a day, or you could pack it with wet to dry dressings changing it once a day. Some ideas for you that we did in cosmetic surgery, I'm sure it would work on a chicken! I hope that she continues on the road to recovery, she seems like a tough girl!

Thank you for that great info. I don't see any puncture wounds on the outside or anywhere around the vent. Perhaps that's because he tore her butt instead. On her left leg, the side she isn't wanting to put her leg down (and when she does she lifts it and curls her toes) the fox did get some skin right there, but no puncture wounds. I don't see any puncture wounds anywhere on her bottom or legs. Just torn vent area. Puncture wounds were only visible on the neck, but they have closed up and they don't look infected, but lots of bruising.

Somewhere in there is her poop hole, right? Wouldn't that not allow the poop to go out?
I am cleaning it 3 times a day but I just don't understand how I pack it. The flaps that are hanging out are still there, but what it looks like it that they want to go in. I pushed them in and they stayed and then it look normal. I left it alone. The I gave a/b and with all the moving around (she hates it) it was back out. Seems swelling has gone down slightly.
I'm starting to 'get this' now. I kinda get where everything goes. Thank you all so much!!

Yes, Olga is a tough girl. She is not top of the pecking order like I thought. My daughter staunchly feels she towards the bottom. LOL I say no way. She is tough and all of them allow her to do as she pleases. I love her fluffy checks. I hope she pulls through.

 

[Wyorp Rock]

Have you watched to see where the poop is actually coming out? Is it coming out from underneath the "scalloped" part?