Foxy INDEED

[Teery]

But I seriously doubt that they relocate it to someone's private property!.. If they did.. and that fox killed someone's pets or livestock DFG would be held responsible for the losses...

What I am saying is that I as a livestock owner do not want someone to drop off a trap savey known poultry killer onto my property.. and I doubt many of the other poultry owners on this board would appreciate dealing with someone elses problem predator.. we have enough of our own without taking on someone elses too!

I doubt they would relocate near private property but it is the state of California so who knows....They wouldn't be held responsible in a court of law regardless...

 

[yinepu]

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lol.. they would be held responsible if it were in Texas!
yeah.. dropping off a known predator onto private property here makes whoever dropped it off responsible.. INCLUDING if it were government employees...
I'll stick with Texas...

but regardless of all that.. a private citizen shouldn't be relocating predators onto someones property without their permission.. doesn't matter where you live... dumping your problem off onto someone else is just wrong...

 

[Mathew544]

I'm sure they didn't drop the fox off in the middle of someone's front yard! Talk about overreacting. They know what they are doing with these wild animals. I'm sure they took to an area not infested with humans.

I'm all for saving an animal's life rather than killing it because it's an easier option. As animal owners I'm surprised you would be so quick to kill something that is just acting on instinct. Do you want someone to shoot you between the eyes when you eat your next chicken? I think not

 

[weasel killer]

A bullet is a lot cheaper than going to all that trouble driving around finding some place to let it go.talk about overacting.I have lost 23 FULL GROWN hens that I have hatched .IT makes me sick to find one of my family dead.and if I see or catch something that has killed one of my pets .17 HMR Does a fine job.in my state I have every right to protect my flock and it doesn't matter if it is poisen , traps, or shooting.so mathew 544 there is an over abundant population of predators because no one traps them anymore so keeping my flock safe is more important than letting one go free.and some of us are sensitive about our birds

 

[yinepu]

I'm sure they didn't drop the fox off in the middle of someone's front yard! Talk about overreacting. They know what they are doing with these wild animals. I'm sure they took to an area not infested with humans.

I'm all for saving an animal's life rather than killing it because it's an easier option. As animal owners I'm surprised you would be so quick to kill something that is just acting on instinct. Do you want someone to shoot you between the eyes when you eat your next chicken? I think not

Sorry .. but it's not overreacting.. and in some places it's highly illegal to drop off animals wild or not .. not to mention the harm it can cause other wild populations with spread of disease that the offending critter may be carrying.. besides I doubt that the OP is a game warden who dropped off the fox on government land...

I also realize the animal is "just acting on instinct" which is why it's MY job to provide my animals with the best housing that I can acquire...

for the record.. we used to free range.. over a months time we lost over 30 chickens to predators.. we expected to lose a few since we were free ranging.. HOWEVER.. our lovely neighbor had been raising and feeding raccoons.. then decided to cut down the tree and stop feeding them.. these were raccoons that were used to an easy meal and had up until then had not bothered our flock.. but because he had been protecting them, feeding them, allowing them into his home and feeding the excess babies.. they immediately turned to our flock as easy meals.. he also brought home raccoons and foxes that his poultry keeping friends trapped and dumped them out in the pasture that adjoins our property (which gave us trap wary predators to deal with)

Because of his "kindness" to his wild buddies we lost an entire flock... even after we started keeping them penned the coons would still come over and reach through every bit of wire they could to have an easy meal (it does take time and money to build a secure coop)...

So as you can see I have 0 tolerance for people who want to save one predator at the cost of my birds...

Trying to turn the table on me with the comment "Do you want someone to shoot you between the eyes when you eat your next chicken? I think not" doesn't work on me... I have seen both sides of the "save the predator" coin and I have to say that same predator can go find a nice bunny out in the wild to eat... when he decides to rip into my coop or attack my animals.. it's game on.. after all how would you like to be that innocent chicken asleep on a perch having your throat ripped out by a predator just acting on instinct?

 

[yinepu]

double post.. thanks slow internet!

 

[yinepu]

A bullet is a lot cheaper than going to all that trouble driving around finding some place to let it go.talk about overacting.I have lost 23 FULL GROWN hens that I have hatched .IT makes me sick to find one of my family dead.and if I see or catch something that has killed one of my pets .17 HMR Does a fine job.in my state I have every right to protect my flock and it doesn't matter if it is poisen , traps, or shooting.so mathew 544 there is an over abundant population of predators because no one traps them anymore so keeping my flock safe is more important than letting one go free.and some of us are sensitive about our birds

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I don't raise birds to feed to predators....

 

[BarredRockMom]

I'm sure they didn't drop the fox off in the middle of someone's front yard! Talk about overreacting. They know what they are doing with these wild animals.
No one knows better how to protect your flock than you do. I'm sure they took to an area not infested with humans.

I'm all for saving an animal's life rather than killing it because it's an easier option. As animal owners I'm surprised you would be so quick to kill something that is just acting on instinct. I kill everything that tries to kill my chickens, acting on instinct or not. I have plenty of unsupervised, domisticated pets AND wildlife passing through that take nothing but a passing interest in the chickens, so they live to pass through another day.

Do you want someone to shoot you between the eyes when you eat your next chicken? I think not

If I took it out of somebody's hen house under the cover of darkness, or whenever else the opportunity was ripe, then yes, I have to say that I would fully expect to be shot right between the eyes. Unless I got a warning shot first. Then I might just run off & come back later.

I repeat: NO one knows better how to protect your flock than you do. Whatever steps anyone takes or does not take are completely up to them.

 

[Teery]

lol.. they would be held responsible if it were in Texas!
yeah.. dropping off a known predator onto private property here makes whoever dropped it off responsible.. INCLUDING if it were government employees...
I'll stick with Texas...

but regardless of all that.. a private citizen shouldn't be relocating predators onto someones property without their permission.. doesn't matter where you live... dumping your problem off onto someone else is just wrong...

The DFG (department of fish and game) will kill a non-native red fox according to its website. Native foxes will be relocated.

California may be unique in a way Texas isn't. For example, there are many mountain communities surrounded by federal and state lands along with many residential communities built adjacent to state and federal wild life habitat areas...

Major cities and counties like LA, Orange, Riverside, San Diego, etc..allow builders to expand right up to, and in some cases, into wild areas which at one time may have been a 1000 acre private ranch. Once the acreage is sold, it is sub-divided and built on.

Basically, the DFG can relocate on state and federal land but that doesn't mean that the state / federal land is far from communities...it is what it is...The native species of foxes here in California are on the endangered species list and are protected...

One can debate if the endangered species act is needed / flawed...one could debate if a few chickens are worth the life of a fox or any predator...however, the debate ends if you are put in jail for breaking the law and in my opinion, no chicken is worth losing ones freedom over....or even paying heavy fines and getting a record...pick and choose your battles...

BTW, it is illegal for a private citizens to relocate any animal in California. If you trap it, you release it on that spot or call the appropriate agency to pick it up. You can legally trap if you follow DFG guidelines.

 

[yinepu]

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exactly my point.. I never said the OP should kill the fox.. just that they should NOT dump it off onto someone else's property.. which is what they claimed they did...

To be honest .. if they wanted to abide by the law.. they should have left it in the trap and called someone from the correct agency to come get it (assuming they refuse to kill it or it's prohibited to kill it).. they didn't and I seriously doubt they are a Fish and Game Officer simply by their response to the comments that were made. ...

Here in Texas it's legal for us to kill almost any critter that is threatening our livestock (there are a few exceptions.. but they are very few from what we have locally that would be a predator anyway)... So here, my husband and I dispose of any that aren't protected by the govt by removing them from the food chain completely.. We don't dump our problem predators onto someone else...