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Tankueray said:
I was going to ask whether I saw a crele pattern in there or not, apparently I did. They are awesome. I was looking at your "nice" black and the pullets in the photo with him when I assumed they were mugs. I think they'd pass for them unless they're out of standard for size or something.
Man, I don't know if I'm more in love with your birds or how well your camera captures color.
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Thank you, "decent" chicken pictures are hard to get lol and I'm really not sure what Creole is. I guess the average Liege rooster gets around 10lb and 30" tall but some claim up to 13lb and 33" tall. Is that mug size? Speaking of colors, there are 17 recognized colors overseas but we only have 3 in the US. Black, blue and splash.

Both originals toes stay curled down at the 1st.. knuckle? Both of big roo's feet are like that and he tends to highsteep. The hen only has one weird toe on 1 foot and limps. I can straighten them out with my hand no problem and they move freely so they don't feel seized up. Big roo walks around with his back level where he should have a more upright stance from my understanding. I have 2 pullets and a handful of crosses from them and non of them seem to have those issues.

Sidetrack, Part of my plan was to cross them with Bielefelder's and phoenix's for barring and longer tails. Here is a 1st gen liege Bielefelder cross that kinda happened on its own lol
 

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Nashv755 said:
Thank you, "decent" chicken pictures are hard to get lol and I'm really not sure what Creole is. I guess the average Liege rooster gets around 10lb and 30" tall but some claim up to 13lb and 33" tall. Is that mug size? Speaking of colors, there are 17 recognized colors overseas but we only have 3 in the US. Black, blue and splash.

Both originals toes stay curled down at the 1st.. knuckle? Both of big roo's feet are like that and he tends to highsteep. The hen only has one weird toe on 1 foot and limps. I can straighten them out with my hand no problem and they move freely so they don't feel seized up. Big roo walks around with his back level where he should have a more upright stance from my understanding. I have 2 pullets and a handful of crosses from them and non of them seem to have those issues.

Sidetrack, Part of my plan was to cross them with Bielefelder's and phoenix's for barring and longer tails. Here is a 1st gen liege Bielefelder cross that kinda happened on its own lol
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Crele is that barred pattern on color as opposed to a uniform color bird like a barred rock.
Wow no, that's huge. The Modern and Old English Standard are 6 and 5 lbs. for the cock I think. That's good though, because you're already at a good size if you plan on making crosses with also large Bielefelders.

The toes sound like a breeder vitamin deficiency off the top of my head. I'm trying to remember which book that's in (Hutt genetics book maybe). I'll report back when I find it. If it's an incubator problem you're more likely to see at least two of the toes curl to the side and affect their ability to walk and roost. Obviously the lowered stance makes him out of type, but I wonder if it's because the curled toes are pulling on the tendons? (As in, if you stretch your hamstring fully by pulling up the front of your foot, for most people it would be difficult to bend over and touch the floor without bending their knee a bit.) Same with her and the limp. Their Greenfire page says they have really large feet, not very helpful at narrowing it down, but brings in the possibility of genetics or nutrient needs while a chick. I doubt there's a way to fix it now though.
 
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Wow, those are beautiful roosters! You are right not to breed from birds with hip and leg problems. I wish more people were so conscientious. From what you've stated, you have one rooster that happens to be very aggressive. I would cull or separate him and see how it goes after that. The others may end up being more reasonable.
 
JedJackson said:
Wow, those are beautiful roosters! You are right not to breed from birds with hip and leg problems. I wish more people were so conscientious. From what you've stated, you have one rooster that happens to be very aggressive. I would cull or separate him and see how it goes after that. The others may end up being more reasonable.
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Thank you, in believe you are right. I'm keeping him separated until I sell or eat him. I may turn him back out his weekend while I'm home to keep an eye on him. I believe he would make a great solo flock protector for someone that only needs 1 roo. He's shown no aggression towards people, only other roosters not in his hatch group even though they've all been together since a couple weeks old. I don't name birds but I'll give them nicknames that sute the moment. He is now Highlander because he believes "There can be only one"🤣
 
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