Gender Assistance Ayam Cenami & Legbar

[BawkBawkGoose]

I know legbars are supposed to be sexable at hatching but these are my first and I am hoping I got it right. The Ayams are both the same egg from the same parents. All of these came from hatching eggs ordered over the internet.

First up Ayam Cenami A:



Refused to stand for me so I couldn't get her\him to stand. I am thinking cockrel.

Ayam Cenami B:



This one I believe to be female.

And then the easier ones for people used to them, the legbars. They are 1 week old. I believe 2 females and a male? But the male does not have a yellow dot on his head and the females have a small one so this is what is confusing me. I have one legbar from a different hatch that is 3 weeks old now that is a male and he came out with a very distinctive yellow dot on his head. This one didn't have that.

 

[azygous]

The one is definitely a cockerel. But the question I have is do you know what the sperm donor and the egg donor both looked like as new chicks?

The reason I ask is it's possible for a chick that looks like a classically marked pullet at hatch to actually be a cockerel. I know this because I was sent a Cream Legbar cockerel by MyPetChicken three years ago that had all the right pullet markings. Ten weeks ago a Cream Legbar egg that was fertilized by this rooster hatched and had totally non-ambiguous pullet markings. He is now a very obvious colorful young cockerel.

To be able to depend on chicks being correctly auto-sexed at hatch they need to come from stock that was obviously and correctly auto-sexed at hatch.

I won't ever be able to trust correctly identifying the gender of any chicks I get from this rooster.

 

[drumstick diva]

For the Ayam Cemani BYCER Pyxis would be the one to ask

 

[Lady of McCamley]

I agree. In order to be trustworthy, the CL lines have to have been carefully kept.

The girls often do have a very small head dot because, remember, they are single barred (in a restricted way). The males, being double barred, will have a larger head dot.

Cl girls should be a clear chipmunk pattern. CL boys are more diffuse with general color blocks.

In your photos for CL, I see what appears to be 1 girl, 1 ambiguous chick, and 1 male.

The girl:

The male:

Probably a girl, but a bit ambiguous:

No idea on your Ayam Cemani...yes, ask @Pyxis

LofMc

 

[Ravynscroft]

How old are the Cemani? Some can be slower developing cockerels, just fyi...

Your Legbars are 2 pullets, 1 cockerel... sexing them is more about the distinct eyeliner, clear V on head and clear stripes on the back than headspots... many females can and do have tiny headspots, contained within the V, males headspots are usually more splotches and break up the V...

 

[Pyxis]

I would say cemani A is a little cockerel. B doesn't look like a cockerel so far, but like Ravyn said it could just be slow developing.

 

[BawkBawkGoose]

They are about 11 weeks I will check my notes and get a better date well hmm it appears 7 weeks which is way less then I thought.

 

[Ravynscroft]

They are about 11 weeks I will check my notes and get a better date well hmm it appears 7 weeks which is way less then I thought.

I was gonna say, they would be getting saddle feathers soon if cockerels, lol... first one is definitely a cockerel, I would give the 2nd one a few weeks to make sure it is a pullet...

 

[BawkBawkGoose]

I will make a note to readdress this in a few weeks, I also have 6 2 week old ayams so i am sure I will be back. The ayams are my first attempt to do a purebred true cross, my first that will be separated usually I just let them stay in one big group. I also have some other breeds in the brooder I will be trying my hand at, I am excited for 2018