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[AugeredIn]

By the way if anyone is interested in that Cameo pied WE boy with two cameo silver pied hens they are available for sale. No shipping. I also have two cameo split pied or white birds that you could take one of to make a killer quad.

 

[KsKingBee]

Obviously Cameo Pied White Eye

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Obviously Cameo Pied White Eye

Such beautiful birds! But please tell me what it is that you look for that makes it 'obvious' that she is White Eye?

 

[KsKingBee]

Well you will get IB Pied WE hens, Cameo Pied WE hens, White IB WE hens, White Cameo WE hens, IB dark pied WE hens, Cameo dark pied WE hens, IB pied WE males split Cameo, Cameo pied WE males, White IB WE males split Cameo, White Cameo WE males, IB dark pied WE males split Cameo and Cameo dark pied WE males. Note that I fully describe the genetics of the white birds.

If the male and female have the "silver pied" version of the WE gene (if it exists like I suggest), you could get silver pieds and silver pied splits.

Ho-lee-cow! That is a lot of genetic mix in that stew! That will be a lot of fun watching those chicks develop. Thanks for the input.

One of the hens I am looking at getting is a Cameo Silver Pied but I doubt that my cock has Silver in it, but I have no way of knowing, yet.

 

[Arbor]

To get these parents we split the WE in silver pieds so the parents should be split silver pied but still full WE.  In other words one normal WE gene and one silver pied WE gene.  I also got another trio of cameo pied we from Bard Legg that throws the same chicks so I assume he is making the cameo pied white eyes from silver pieds.

That is likely the case, and much easier to do than any other way. However, if that is the case, then there is also the possibility that the pied gene in silver pied has mutated to produce the added white. There was a theory I heard from someone a while ago. If breeding pied to silver pied, the resulting pied offspring will vary, some more white than others (suggesting the pied gene was from the pied parent, and the white and white-eyed gene from the silverpied parent). This is one possibility, as there is great variation in pied birds as well (look at Aussie reverse pied, what would happen if the white-eyed gene was added to it?).

 

[Arbor]

Such beautiful birds!  But please tell me what it is that you look for that makes it 'obvious' that she is White Eye?

Her body is very light coloured, and very obvious if she is producing silverpied offspring.

 

[KsKingBee]

Her body is very light coloured, and very obvious if she is producing silverpied offspring.

Thank you Arbor. So putting the offspring aside and only looking at the bird itself, a very light colored Cameo means that it is WE? I have a light colored Cameo hen but to find out for sure it will take me three years at least unless there are some other clues to look for. Two of them have white flights, could that be anything related to WE as well as being split to White or Pied? One of my Cameo hens is split to BS, any visual markers for me to look for to figure out which one it is? Sorry for so many questions.

 

[AugeredIn]

No problem on the questions. A WE hen has a silver frosting on her back and wing saddles. If you put a WE next to a non WE of any color you can see the difference.

 

[KsKingBee]

No problem on the questions. A WE hen has a silver frosting on her back and wing saddles. If you put a WE next to a non WE of any color you can see the difference.

Oh, my light bulb just came on! Like the feather tips on my IB WE hens back that are frosted. Some are white tipped and some are just a whitish tinge. But, but, most of my hens are dappled, which I took as being part of the Cameo color like camouflage. I think that most of that dappling is actually a cream color. I see a lot of grayish colored feathers in some of my Cameos, is that unusual?

 

[MinxFox]

But, but, most of my hens are dappled, which I took as being part of the Cameo color like camouflage. I think that most of that dappling is actually a cream color. I see a lot of grayish colored feathers in some of my Cameos, is that unusual?

Not a cameo expert at all here...I don't raise them, but my guess from seeing cameos and photos of them is what you are seeing as dappling is just old and new feathers together. Some peafowl varieties seem to show old feathers more obviously than say India Blues. The new feathers are darker while the old feathers are lighter. That is just my guess AugeredIn will probably know for sure.
As for the greyish...I am not sure if that is unusual or not...

 

[KsKingBee]

Thanks MinxFox, I hadn't thought of it that way, I assumed that when they molt that all the feathers were replaced in a short amount of time but I see your point. I seem to remember that I read here somewhere that they actually take a long time to replace their wing feathers, after all how could they escape predation if all their wing feathers dropped at once. I really like the effect of the multi colored dappling I see now on my Cameos.