Genetics Question

[LilyD]

Okay so I've been reading through color genetics for chickens trying to beef up on my knowledge. I want to try to breed and raise Crele Orpingtons and so I figure the first step is to know what the genetics are for that.

I've been told that Crele Orpingtons specifically are on the Partridge coloring so males should have the dark breasts and their hackle and saddle feathers should be reddish/gold and that they should have a duck wing which is a light colored wing triangle and slightly darker head neck and back color.

I have also heard of people breeding Crele using black breasted red as well as partridge is this acceptable?

My question is about the barring. In the reading I was doing they listed two types of barring the autosomal barring and sex linked barring. Is there a way to tell the difference between the two barring patterns?

Also for the hens I know they only express one barring gene rather than two like the roosters so their barring is lighter with thinner lines but generally is the barring over the patterning seen in partridge or do they lose the patterning because of the barring gene?

Just trying to get it all straight in my head so I know what I am working towards for the colors and patterning on the birds.

 

[The Moonshiner]

Black breasted red is wild type/duckwing.
That is the correct pattern for crele but in Orps duckwing isn't available so breeders used partridge since its available and very simular to duckwing. That's the reason or hearing of both patterns and why.
There are two types of barring and yes you will want the sex linked kind that roosters have two genes for while hens have only one.
The other barring is the type see in campines etc. Its a whole different barring and isn't common outside of a few specific breeds so wouldn't worry much about confusing the two or getting the wrong one. It also is black barring on a colored bird and the barring you want is the common barring that takes away color so it leaves white bars.
Yes the barring just takes away color so what ever pattern its on such as partridge will show and not be affected in the areas the barring leaves color.
Did I miss anything? Or any more questions?

 

[LilyD]

Black breasted red is wild type/duckwing.
That is the correct pattern for crele but in Orps duckwing isn't available so breeders used partridge since its available and very simular to duckwing. That's the reason or hearing of both patterns and why.
There are two types of barring and yes you will want the sex linked kind that roosters have two genes for while hens have only one.
The other barring is the type see in campines etc. Its a whole different barring and isn't common outside of a few specific breeds so wouldn't worry much about confusing the two or getting the wrong one. It also is black barring on a colored bird and the barring you want is the common barring that takes away color so it leaves white bars.
Yes the barring just takes away color so what ever pattern its on such as partridge will show and not be affected in the areas the barring leaves color.
Did I miss anything? Or any more questions?

Thank you so much. That's perfect I just wanted to make sure I was understanding it correctly before I get started so I can make good selections in the birds I am breeding together.

 

[nicalandia]

Black breasted red is wild type/duckwing.
That is the correct pattern for crele but in Orps duckwing isn't available so breeders used partridge since its available and very simular to duckwing. That's the reason or hearing of both patterns and why.
There are two types of barring and yes you will want the sex linked kind that roosters have two genes for while hens have only one.
The other barring is the type see in campines etc. Its a whole different barring and isn't common outside of a few specific breeds so wouldn't worry much about confusing the two or getting the wrong one. It also is black barring on a colored bird and the barring you want is the common barring that takes away color so it leaves white bars.
Yes the barring just takes away color so what ever pattern its on such as partridge will show and not be affected in the areas the barring leaves color.
Did I miss anything? Or any more questions?

I really liked that..!

 

[The Moonshiner]

Thank you so much. That's perfect

This is the great thing about BYC.
I could try to talk chicken genetics all day but IRL it's hard to find anyone that wants to listen long.
You can always come one here and find something to talk about and not only someone interested in hearing what you have to say but they even thank you.
How awesome is BYC?

I really liked that..!

Then for icing on the cake you get someone like this to come along and post a reply like that.
How awesome are the BYC members?

 

[LilyD]

If I were to ask others about things like this anywhere else I don't think I would get any help at all. I know I have tried on several other forums and with people I know locally and I get either sarcasm or snide comments because I even want to try and breed nice well bred chickens. It's very refreshing to be able to come on here and visit with like minded people who don't mind honest questions from someone trying to learn. So definitely thank you again.