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I don't know who'd knock the Hova bators.. I was given one.. w/ turner.. I had no intentions of ever hatching eggs before that day.. well hubby brought it home and I said OH> lets try it out. collected 8 eggs from my hens that had not seen a roo in 18 days.. 3 were fertile and 2 hatched. (3rd would have if I knew how to candle at the time and didn't toss it at day 9). My second hatch in the Hova bator was a great success.. 10 eggs in, one pulled cuz it was cracked and another pulled out cuz the embryo died, 7 outta 8 hatched 2 days early and are all still doing great. Now I have 16 lav orp eggs in it and candled them on day 4 and I can see darker spots and veining.. Woo hoo.. the HOVABATOR's rock .. And I'm planning on buying a couple more so I can have 3 batches going at once in the spring..