GOAT breeding question: Looking into CIDR/PG600 protocol for my acyclic ND doe. Jave a rented buck

[bantyshanty]

I may get more answers here than on BYH. So.. I have two ND does. One is 7.5 months, 1 is 18 months. I borrowed a buck from a breeder two weeks ago to breed my older doe. Thebdoe lived at the bbreeder's fsrm until 12 months of age but had never cycled. I have had her 6 months. She has still never cycled. Not even with the buck. The doelibg of 7 1/2 months went into heat a week ago, just from the buck smell on my clothes (she is penned ion a different oart of the property while the buck is here. ) I talked with the breeder, and she suggested hormone therspy. She is sebdobg me somethibg like Lutalyse. I decided to order a single CIDR, PG600, and an applicator. Here's where the question begins:
While the CIDR is in, can the doe run with the buck at all? He came to me rutty, but has long since lost that, and the pair show no interest in each other, just friends. How many day, if so?
Should I do a 14 or 21 day protocol with the CIDR? I've heard both are successful.
Should I give the PG600 12 hours before pulling the CIDR? Or some other timing on this?
When should the buck be reintroduced to the doe, if I separate them?
Last, should I include lutalyse or anything else before or during the CIDR, early on?

 

[cassie]

You are not going to like this. I don't think your chances of getting that doe bred are very good. Personally, I wouldn't bother with hormone treatment on your non cycling doe. Chances are, it isn't going to help. If I did use a treatment I would use PMSG (pregnant mare serum gonadotrophin). It will cause heat and ovulation if anything will. There is a product made for bringing gilts into heat and the active ingredient is PMSG. Look in one of the mail order veterinary supply catalogs in the swine section.

There could be any number of reasons your doe isn't cycling. She could be an intersex. She could be lacking one or more of the internal reproductive organs. She could be a freemartin. This does occur rarely in goats if a doe kid is one of triplets with two bucks. Lutalyse will cause heat only if a doe is cycling. Unless you are very lucky, trying to get this doe bred is an exercise in futility and you can soon have far more money into her than she is worth. I don't think I would run the doe with the buck if she has the CIDR inside.

 

[bantyshanty]

It's okay. I suspected this. She's a gorgeous doe, and I think this is why she was put up for sale. Not a good breeder. I've never heard "freemartin", but I looked it up. " she did have two brothers. I'll do a speculum/light test on her to see what's inside. If she seems developed ok, I'll try my protocol first. The PG600 is a combination of PMSG & HCGH (human chorionic gonadotropic hormone), and it can be given at the onset of the Cidr and again right before removal. She may never ovulate, I'm sure you're right. She's my favorite goat, of course... very smart & affectionate & has locked me into the hay barn twice wih 2 slide bolts. Out of mischief & jealousy. And has unlocked me when I've bribed her with feed. Gotta love that spirit. She may make someone a nice "wether".

 

[cassie]

There is nothing wrong with keeping her for a pet. It won't cost a lot to feed her.

I have seen any number of non breeding doelings over the years. A lot of them are really beautiful animals and they show very well as dries. Obviously, they never get to compete in the milking classes.

 

[bantyshanty]

Well, she has normal development externally. I did a speculum/light exam. She is a great personality & good lookibg, but qbecause we're homesteading on two rocky acres with no chance for relocation, every goat housed has to contribute milk to stay. I'll keep trying with her, but the buck will go back during this time. Thanks for the encouragement. I would like to show her if I could.

 

[cassie]

Just a comment. The maximum age a dairy goat doeling who has never kidded can be shown is one year.

Pencil out exactly how much it will actuall cost to feed her. I once got rid of a dear pet because she couldn't earn her keep. I have regretted that decision ever since.