Going weak and dieing.. why?

Discussion in 'Emergencies / Diseases / Injuries and Cures' started by jak2002003, Dec 5, 2015.

  1. coach723

    coach723 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Fine, change the word resistance to tolerance in the explanation, and the rest still holds true.
    I don't claim to be a genius, and I don't generally parse specific words when the general meaning is clear.
    The explanation I gave was to simply to clear the confusion regarding why the chickens could still possibly develop coccidiosis even if previously exposed.
    I personally, having experienced coccidia outbreaks, would never consider any bird I own "immune" to coccidia.
    If the OP can get a fecal done, that would be optimal, however many people who post here to do not have a veterinarian option.
     
  2. shortgrass

    shortgrass Overrun With Chickens

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    Oh, I apologize lol, I think there was a misunderstanding...

    I got really confused reading your explanation if immunity vs resistance, so I just posted a quoted statement that made it easier to understand... At least for me lol ;)

    I stated the exact same thing you did lol, was not disagreeing, just helping you put it in words that I could understand ;)

    Sorry about the confusion :)
     
  3. coach723

    coach723 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    No offense taken. In literature everywhere the terms immunity and resistance are sometimes used interchangeably, and sometimes incorrectly and it CAN be confusing. If my explanation was confusing to anyone, then clarification is only a good thing. It is often difficult to know when writing, exactly how someone else will read what sounded good in your own head. I was trying to simplify, perhaps not well. I hope the OP is making progress with their sick bird.
     
  4. jak2002003

    jak2002003 Overrun With Chickens

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    She seems much worse today despite the medication... only had the medication for 1 and half days.. so maybe too early to see improvement. All other birds seem OK still.
     
  5. coach723

    coach723 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Can you post what medication you are using, and the dose?

    A couple of other ideas for consideration, you said a young pullet, was she laying? Ever laid, stopped?
    Maybe internal laying. That would not account for the rooster obviously, but no way to know if they both really have/had the same problem or it's coincidence without a necropsy.

    Was she vaccinated for Mareks? The visceral form of Mareks can cause internal tumors and enlarged, damaged organs.

    These are just a couple of guesses....

    I wish you luck.
    If you lose her I'd strongly suggest a necropsy if at all possible. Then you'll know if its something that could effect your other birds or not.
     
  6. jak2002003

    jak2002003 Overrun With Chickens

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    Medication:

    Toltrazuril
    3 ml 2.5% per litre of drinking water given for 8 hours per day, on 2 consecutive days.


    She is too young to be laying.. and the rooster had the same symptoms....

    Getting less and less active.. fluffed up and giving up eating and drinking.

    I managed to get the pullet to eat some hard boiled egg yolk and some grasshoppers... but she won't touch her chicken food.. and I have not seen her drink anything.

    Her poops are mostly clean with some white in them... not too runny.

    Her crop is always empty... even evening time before roosting.


    Her colour is washed out now and she has lost a lot of weight. eyes still bright and she is not sleeping more than normal.. but she is fluffed up and her tail is down. Breathing normal. No mucus or other symptoms. Exactly the same as the older rooster.

    Other birds all see fine. Have her in isolation with medicated water and food.

    I am starting treating the rest of the flock just to be on the safe side tomorrow... unless someone on here advises me not to.. I am a bit worried about messing up their natural resistance and gut bacteria... and I also have some young pigeon squabs in the nests (I don't know if the medication is harmful for them).

    Keep you posted.
     
  7. casportpony

    casportpony Team Tube Feeding Captain & Poop Inspector General Premium Member

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    You can give the toltrazuril orally instead of in the water, but it does need to be diluted because of the PH of it. Not sure what the proper dilution is.

    Dose is 7mg/kg for two days. Do you have a way to weigh them?

    -Kathy
     
  8. casportpony

    casportpony Team Tube Feeding Captain & Poop Inspector General Premium Member

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    @jak2002003 , do you want to lean how to tube feed?

    -Kathy
     
  9. jak2002003

    jak2002003 Overrun With Chickens

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    Bad news.

    She seemed to be getting a litter better this morning.. but maybe wishful thinking.

    This evening I went to feed her some more egg and check on her...

    She has taken a turn for the worst and is having problems breathing.. with a crackling feeling in her chest when I hold her.. and congested breathing.

    Her medication is over now... she had 2 days of the strong dose in the water. her poops are still very watery and mostly white with some brown in the middle.

    I will see how she is in the morning.. but if she has deteriorated I will cull her.... as it must be something other than coccidiosis.
     
  10. shortgrass

    shortgrass Overrun With Chickens

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    Have you noticed any illness in the pigeons at all? I'm not familiar with pigeons, but maybe a possibility to look into pathogens that the pigeons can possibly carry but be resistant to?

    It's almost like shooting a target in the dark; I'm so sorry but it does sound like she isn't faring much better and may need to be culled. :(

    The upside on that is that you will have a bird forca necropsy and testing to see what it was that sh cgot and maybe be able to address the issue before any more birds go downhill. It could easily be many different pathogens, and she may not have had as good of immunity or resistance as your other birds.

    I sure hope she rallies and recovers, though, as lame as that sounds to say; I'm sorry I can't be of more help :(
     
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