GRAPHIC PICS of my day learning to caponize

[Kassaundra]

Yes when my mentor started she only had the American instructions. Since then she has got the Chinese caponizing tools and some instruction, what can be gleaned from the CD w/o knowing Chinese language. Their way is going in on the right side and removing both, the lower one first then the upper one. They also do not restrain both legs only the upper leg is restrained the other is allowed to be pulled up under the torso of the bird, this does aid in better viewing.

The American way of the lt side I believe is to make sure you have a boy, since the females only ovary is on the lt side.

On the birds that I could see the lower teste I could also clearly see those large veins between me and it, and the dark small hole and the barely enough room w/ the tools, and when the tools were in the hole obstructed views of those large vessels, had a hard time justifying the added risk, when the second cut is so easy.

Good luck w/ your caponizing tomorrow.

 

[BCMaraniac]

OK, at least I know I am not crazy I know what you mean about the small opening and not being able to see with the instruments in place. That is why I made an elevator that is very small. I am hoping that it will help with that. I used one I made with the last caponization, and the one I am using tomorrow is smaller still.

The other thing I did is get a pair of recessed ear forceps. The end is very small and thin, and because it is recessed, your hands are out of your line of sight. Here is a link to ebay that shows what they look like:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-Jansen-Ea...606?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c5c48cb96

They are made to be able to place inside a person's ear canal and still be able to see, so you can see where that capability comes in handy with caponization. I just thought you might look at them and see if they might be of use to you.

OOPS!!! The link above is for a larger pair. Here is the correct link for a 5 1/2" pair:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-Jansen-Ea...479?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e6203bacf

 

[Kassaundra]

OK, at least I know I am not crazy I know what you mean about the small opening and not being able to see with the instruments in place. That is why I made an elevator that is very small. I am hoping that it will help with that. I used one I made with the last caponization, and the one I am using tomorrow is smaller still.

The other thing I did is get a pair of recessed ear forceps. The end is very small and thin, and because it is recessed, your hands are out of your line of sight. Here is a link to ebay that shows what they look like:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-Jansen-Ea...606?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c5c48cb96

They are made to be able to place inside a person's ear canal and still be able to see, so you can see where that capability comes in handy with caponization. I just thought you might look at them and see if they might be of use to you.

OOPS!!! The link above is for a larger pair. Here is the correct link for a 5 1/2" pair:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-Jansen-Ea...479?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e6203bacf

Thanks for the link I'll give it a look.

 

[BCMaraniac]

Yes when my mentor started she only had the American instructions. Since then she has got the Chinese caponizing tools and some instruction, what can be gleaned from the CD w/o knowing Chinese language. Their way is going in on the right side and removing both, the lower one first then the upper one. They also do not restrain both legs only the upper leg is restrained the other is allowed to be pulled up under the torso of the bird, this does aid in better viewing.

The American way of the lt side I believe is to make sure you have a boy, since the females only ovary is on the lt side.

On the birds that I could see the lower teste I could also clearly see those large veins between me and it, and the dark small hole and the barely enough room w/ the tools, and when the tools were in the hole obstructed views of those large vessels, had a hard time justifying the added risk, when the second cut is so easy.

Good luck w/ your caponizing tomorrow.

Well, I finished the caponization yesterday, and ended up removing 14 seemingly intact testicles from 7 birds, which is definitely my best effort to date The 6 week old birds were a bit of a challenge because of the smaller opening from my reluctance to spread those small ribs too much. I didn't try to get both testicles from one side, but I did locate them for future attempts.

The new elevators I made helped a lot. They seemed to make loosening the testicles easier.

I am hopeful that the learning curve will continue to improve procedure times as well as accessing the testicles from both sides. I guess I will find out this coming weekend, since I have 7 more to do.

 

[Shellz]

Way to go BC! The benefits of this procedure far outweigh the negatives, IMO. We really need to get more folks interested in learning this, so as time goes on, we will have better access to more experienced practitioners. If I can't do it myself, I would love to have someone do it for me!

 

[Kassaundra]

Well, I finished the caponization yesterday, and ended up removing 14 seemingly intact testicles from 7 birds, which is definitely my best effort to date The 6 week old birds were a bit of a challenge because of the smaller opening from my reluctance to spread those small ribs too much. I didn't try to get both testicles from one side, but I did locate them for future attempts.

The new elevators I made helped a lot. They seemed to make loosening the testicles easier.

I am hopeful that the learning curve will continue to improve procedure times as well as accessing the testicles from both sides. I guess I will find out this coming weekend, since I have 7 more to do.

Awesome!!!!!! Congrats. Can you post pics of your new tool? Everyone is always interested in improved tools.

 

[Angelicisi]

Subscribing in case my sweetest baby roo is a keeper O.O I was JUST thinking the other day if there was a way to hamper aggression & crowing. Do you own roos that have had this done? Is it effective the majority of the time?

 

[Shellz]

I believe by my research (no experience), that it is effective 100% of the time if the procedure is successful at removing BOTH testes in their entirety. I'm guess as in keeper, you mean that you don't wish to breed him, but keep him more as a pretty pet. Which is fine.

I'm sure the folks here with actual experience will chime in soon & they can give you their invaluable opinion.

 

[Angelicisi]

Keeper, yes as in pet ...lol technically no roos here allowed...I can borrow a roo from a chicken Pimp should I want babies next year but I have one sweet lil baby roo that thinks I'm momma and LOVES attention, I was already sad to give him away and he won't get big enough fast enough to process for me...

I believe by my research (no experience), that it is effective 100% of the time if the procedure is successful at removing BOTH testes in their entirety. I'm guess as in keeper, you mean that you don't wish to breed him, but keep him more as a pretty pet. Which is fine. 

I'm sure the folks here with actual experience will chime in soon & they can give you their invaluable opinion. 

 

[Kassaundra]

Subscribing in case my sweetest baby roo is a keeper O.O I was JUST thinking the other day if there was a way to hamper aggression & crowing. Do you own roos that have had this done? Is it effective the majority of the time?

Yes doing this to keep a pet roo, is very effective, if there is no slip during the procedure (no part of either teste is left) AND the procedure is done prior to the roo starting to crow. If it is done after they start crowing it will curb aggression and the mating behavior, however it may or may not stop them from crowing, if they have already started. My mentor has done many that are up to a year old and crowing, for people like you who are wanting to keep their roos as pets or in town. I will have to ask her if she has done follow up to find out how many of those stopped crowing.