GRAPHIC PICS of my day learning to caponize

[BCMaraniac]

Awesome!!!!!! Congrats. Can you post pics of your new tool? Everyone is always interested in improved tools.

 

[Shellz]

Aw nuts! No image available!

 

[Kassaundra]

There was an image yesterday

 

[Kassaundra]

My mentor said that yes in her experience those caponized even after starting to crow have either stopped or drastically reduced their crowing. Like not initiating a crow, but sometimes responding to a crow of another roo. Even when they do occasionally crow (the few that do) it is quieter, shorter, and w/ less vigor, she reports this change is almost immediate and gets more w/ time. (more as in less crowing)

 

[MagicChicken]

My mentor said that yes in her experience those caponized even after starting to crow have either stopped or drastically reduced their crowing. Like not initiating a crow, but sometimes responding to a crow of another roo. Even when they do occasionally crow (the few that do) it is quieter, shorter, and w/ less vigor, she reports this change is almost immediate and gets more w/ time. (more as in less crowing)

Isn't there an issue with older birds' testes being larger and more fragile and harder to get out intact? When I processed some four month old cockerels a few birds had small, hard testes the size of small baked beans and the faster-maturing birds had huge, soft testes that broke open when I pulled out the guts. I can't imagine trying to get those big testes out of a small caponizing incision without rupturing them. They were about the size of egg yolks, and almost as delicate.

 

[Kassaundra]

I have not personally done the procedure on a grown or mostly grown boy, but have been present for several that my mentor has done, and yes they are huge, but in the ones she has done they are less fragile, much easier to get out whole, but much harder to get out of the opening b/c they are sometimes bigger then the opening.

In my opinion it is better to do the younger birds, but very doable to do the older boys if needed, especially by someone w/ experience.

 

[BCMaraniac]

Awesome!!!!!! Congrats. Can you post pics of your new tool? Everyone is always interested in improved tools.

Sorry about yesterday's post. I inadvertently deleted the photos, so I just deleted the entire post.

The elevator I made really isn't that big a deal. It is just small, so I could see better. I used a 6 inch 3/32" diameter aluminum tube, and threaded two ends of 28 gauge beading wire through it, leaving a loop on one end to use as the elevator. Some I made stationary, and some I made so they could be retracted to make the loop smaller once it completely encircled the testicle. Here are some photos, and there are more in a photo album under my profile:


Here are the loops, which are varied in size for the different sized testicles in the birds of varying ages and maturity:







Here is the opposite end. The third from the left has a loop on this end to enable retraction of the loop once the testicle is completely surrounded by the loop on the other end. The others are crimped on each end to maintain the size of the loop:



This is the one that retracts from one end.



Here is a close up of one of the elevator loops:


Like I said, its main advantage is the size, which improves visibility. Combined with the recessed ear forceps that I gave a link to in a previous, visibility is quite good. For all practical purposes, we are operating on a pediatric patient, so we need pediatric sized instruments.

The aluminum tube came in 12" lengths, which I cut in half with my Dremmel, and the 28 gauge wire is beading wire. I got both of them online from Hobby Lobby.

 

[BCMaraniac]

Isn't there an issue with older birds' testes being larger and more fragile and harder to get out intact? When I processed some four month old cockerels a few birds had small, hard testes the size of small baked beans and the faster-maturing birds had huge, soft testes that broke open when I pulled out the guts. I can't imagine trying to get those big testes out of a small caponizing incision without rupturing them. They were about the size of egg yolks, and almost as delicate.

In addition to the size and friability(medical term for being fragile) of the mature testicle, the blood supply to the testicle is greatly increased which increases bleeding risk. I wouldn't do an older bird myself without electrocautery, if at all.

 

[Kassaundra]

Here are some pics of the most recent big boys testes that my mentor has worked on over the past couple of weeks



All were over 6 months, Boss is very much "head roo" and very full of testosterone



I believe she only had to use to caudery tool once and not for the actual teste, but a vascular area at the membrane covering the abdominal cavity.


All these boys are alive well, recovering and much less noisy and aggressive w/ each other, even Boss who required time out just after the procedure is now able to be in w/ the other boys w/o showing aggression to them.

 

[Angelicisi]

So, I sit with my coffee...listening to birds n chickies...my dog at my feet and open up BYC...take a sip of coffee- then read the subject line (incomplete because it was on my subscription page not the thread!), Here are some pics of the most recent big boys testes that my mentor has worked on over Bahahhaa! I spit coffee everywhere! Dog took off to her dog house and all the chickies started screaming!

Here are some pics of the most recent big boys testes that my mentor has worked on over the past couple of weeks All were over 6 months, Boss is very much "head roo" and very full of testosterone I believe she only had to use to caudery tool once and not for the actual teste, but a vascular area at the membrane covering the abdominal cavity. All these boys are alive well, recovering and much less noisy and aggressive w/ each other, even Boss who required time out just after the procedure is now able to be in w/ the other boys w/o showing aggression to them.