great pyrenees question

I have always love the GP, and would love to get one when we move to our property in the country (hopefully next year). However, I have a concern, and would like some feedback.

The only experience I have with them is when my friend got one to look after their cattle. He was 5 months old when they got him, very friendly with her other (small) dogs, and was starting to stay outside with the cows. One day he was inside with her, and attacked one of her small dogs with no apparent provocation. She is a very experienced dog person/breeder who has had large dogs all her life, and said the small dog was just standing there.

I have small dogs, so this is a concern to me, and I am hoping it is just the individual dog, and not indicitive of the breed.

Any info would be appreciated!
 
Both of my GPs are under a year old and they defer to the older/smaller dogs... As a matter of fact one of the older dogs is only about 6 lbs and she terrifies them if they come in the house (which we don't do anymore).

They love being outside.... I think they feel confined being inside and not able to "sniff the wind"....

I just wish they wouldn't bark quite so much... that deep loud bark is annoying not only us but our neighbor... I'm constantly going to see if there's intruders out in the barn at night....

Whatever you do, DO NOT let them eat raw eggs.... I made that mistake when they were real little thinking it would be good for their coats and now they want to go into the chicken coop and steal a few eggs... my egg collection has dropped in half since they started being in the barn full-time.
 
I have an indoor/outdoor pyr. When we got her she had parvo and there was no choice but she be house-trained and cared for.

However, she is good with the chickens and goats - occassionally wanting to play too hard when young - that's reallllllly common in LGDs. It passes with supervision and training. When we leave the house she watches the house/yard/goats and poultry. She sleeps indoors now ( loves her couch) but goes out routinely at night to survey things if she thinks there's something up.

We're adding a dog door for her at night soon.

She was NOT initially at all comfortable indoors - no.

It took quite a bit of work - since she was born and initially raised outdoors to 12 weeks - that's really common.

I can certainly see some individuals reared outdoors never acclimating to inside without serious training/necessity.

I like having her comfortable everywhere on the place from the hen house to the home. She just rocks. I'll never not have a pyr again. They're super intelligent and terrific guardians.

I'm considering another eventually to live full time with the goats - if I can find one that needs rescuing again.

Neat, neat breed. But um yeah - they really appear to LOVE to tear stuff up when not on duty. We keep her well supplied with destroyables. Popular and cheap are old basketballs, old footballs (leather ones), Tirebiters (a brand of chewy made from cleaned treated and recycled tires - nice and tough). Nylabones and kongs are utterly destroyed fairly quickly. Jollyballs toast. Everlasting treatballs are very useful. But don't last forever - lol. The biggest has survived all the smaller ones from her puppyhood destroyed. She likes soccer with balls til she kills them.

All in all just a super breed if you have time, room and something for them to do. I know many successful pet Pyrs who are indeed happy with their lot. Walked, social, comfortable in the home.

A commited owner can make that work. Seen it too often for it not to be true.

An uncommited uncaring owner - whether a working dog or a pet dog makes for a miserable animal period.

I've known a few pyrs who wanted NOTHING to do with outside.

I've known Pyrs purchased for pets who wanted nothing to do with pet status who were farm placed for their own good.

I commend both sets of owners when they care enough to SEE whether the dog is doing well in the environment they are offering.

Dogs are individuals, homes are individual. And something like guardianship tendency will not crop up in all members of a breed. Some people can rear and keep some pyrs as pets. Some as Ranch dogs - like mine - comfortable indoors and out, with the family pack of dogs and with the goats/poultry. Some absolutely prefer to be out there with the livestock, especially when reared that way from birth to when they are purchased/rescued.

Breed only indicates tendency and potential, you as a trainer and owner, train toward what you want but hopefully SEE what the dog - once TRAINED and ACCLIMATIZED - prefers.

If I took a year old goat reared LGD in and tried to bring it into the sounds/smells/confines of the human home - I'd expect six months to be required to judge whether the animal could become comfortable or not. Yep, six months of training and work.

Pyrs are good guards because they SENSE and FEEL and REACT to ALL changes in the environment. New sounds, shapes, colors, movement, scents ALL show up a HUGE changes on a Pyrs radar. And those things SET OFF the dog's instincts.

How offensive then is the first introduction to a human home??? To leash and tv, dishwasher, cleaning agents, carpet (to a dog it stinks synthetics), AC and heating sounds/static, any scented candles add more ugh. Add the CONFINES of the human home and the very close proximity of PEOPLE new to the dog, and RULES the dog does not know and of course the POOR thing wants back outside to what it knows.

There are a hundred things in the human home guaranteed to set off a newly introduced LGD. Retraining into a home is not a simple thing of "beneficial intent". You know you mean well. You know it's safe. The dog does NOT. Cannot know that. Dogs do not infer intent.

Only time and training retrains an animal used to one extreme or the other.

So sure, a field pyr introduced to indoors is running for the door. All it's alarms are screaming at it.

Could that dog learn and be trained to enjoy it eventually? Some yes, some no. But it would take months of acclimatization. A thing few owners tend to want to work with.

Most just decide the dog wants to be outside.

I rehabilitate feral, semi-feral, and "farm" or tied out and puppymill dogs routinely. It does NOT occur to them to want to be in the human home. It does not feel safe.

In time most learn to enjoy it. But it's not this over night thing in even normally very domestic pet breeds.

Add the whole LGD - very enviromentally sensitive - uber intelligent and you add a whole layer of more dog to train.

They make good seizure indicator dogs for a reason. They can be that tuned in to people and things.

Retraining a dog like that takes even more work.

And it's why I love them.
 
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That is normal for the breed. They have that instinct to stay with the flock. If you make him come in, he worries constantly about his flock. He just knows he belongs with them. Don't you worry when you are separated from your children?
 
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seriously though, i see what you mean. he is just such a good dog and it really does seem instinctive because i havent taught him much yet and he seems to have somehow grasped that he is the guardian of the yard.
 
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"I have small dogs, so this is a concern to me, and I am hoping it is just the individual dog, and not indicitive of the breed."

We have 2 that are siblings(Milo&Shilo),they just turned a year old in July. We got Pepper a Pomeranian in April and she'll be a year in October. At first we kept Pepper on the table or up high until they were all used to eachother which did'nt take long at all.yeah!!
Now they share their dinners out of the same bowl and all that good doggie stuff,it helps when one or both are young or pups. Would we leave her all alone in the yard with them NO,and that's only because they'd break her with their paw just tryin to play with her.It 's hard on Shilo because she wants to play with Pep but she's very pawsy and when Pepper tells her to back off, she listens to the tiny tuffy.
As far as Pyries wanting to be outside, they are a breed that has worked alone for centuries living within their flock. I used to have to carry 'em in at nite as pups. Which I think is why they can be quite stubborn and with all that hair I'd be outside trying to be cool too.
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Ours just pant when their inside and ours were literally born in a barn and it shows. We LOVE the 2 knuckleheads anyway even with all the barking,belching,drooooling,digging, and shed shed shedding!
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they sure do drool but i have to say, this dog is just the best..but i cant wait until we are out of here because he loves to dig a hole and then wallow in it! i spent an hour giving him a really good bath last weekend and he was so pretty and clean..and then he went and rolled around in the mud.

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Not only do the drool. They dig. Not just small holes but craters that a cow could climb into. Some people don't realize that, so they get upset when it happens. Grooming is also a full time job because that double coat seems to mat easily.
I have four of them, and my property looks like drunken pirates lost their map while trying to find their treasure.
 

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