Hands on hatching and help

[BigWeenMachine]

So, this morning marked the end of day 25 on my ancona ducks that have the bacterial infections; the runners reach the end of day 25 tomorrow night and look the same as the anconas. I removed a couple more from the Lyon bator and found dead ducklings inside. I'm now down to 9 anconas and 13 runners. And the vast majority of those have already stopped movement but there are still veins inside that are red; not all the veins inside are thick and black so I don't know if they are alive, dead, or on their way out. There are a handful of eggs that still show movement but the eggs have large clear spots at the bottom of the egg. Instead of being filled out and dark from the fully formed chick awaiting it's hatch, they look like they are a week behind. I still havn't put them into the hatcher cos they look nowhere near as full as they should be. Maybe 2 of them look full and have movement. Any recommendations???

Here is one of the eggs I pulled out and cracked open. Mushy, dead chick was found inside. All the eggs in that bator right now have these same black spots but the veins have just not completely disappeared like in this one. I don't know why I can't get a candling picture to turn out but at least you can kind of see the black stuff inside this one. This is at day 25.5. The clear spot is definitely too big for this late in the incubation am I right??? The rest that I am not 100% sure on look just like the clear spot on this pic but they still have red veins or movement. Should I leave them in the bator longer or move them to the hatcher with that big of clear spot at the bottom?

I think it's a complete loss but I don't wanna give up in case some are still capable of surviving.

 

[Ravynscroft]

So, this morning marked the end of day 25 on my ancona ducks that have the bacterial infections; the runners reach the end of day 25 tomorrow night and look the same as the anconas. I removed a couple more from the Lyon bator and found dead ducklings inside. I'm now down to 9 anconas and 13 runners. And the vast majority of those have already stopped movement but there are still veins inside that are red; not all the veins inside are thick and black so I don't know if they are alive, dead, or on their way out. There are a handful of eggs that still show movement but the eggs have large clear spots at the bottom of the egg. Instead of being filled out and dark from the fully formed chick awaiting it's hatch, they look like they are a week behind. I still havn't put them into the hatcher cos they look nowhere near as full as they should be. Maybe 2 of them look full and have movement. Any recommendations??? Here is one of the eggs I pulled out and cracked open. Mushy, dead chick was found inside. All the eggs in that bator right now have these same black spots but the veins have just not completely disappeared like in this one. I don't know why I can't get a candling picture to turn out but at least you can kind of see the black stuff inside this one. This is at day 25.5. The clear spot is definitely too big for this late in the incubation am I right??? The rest that I am not 100% sure on look just like the clear spot on this pic but they still have red veins or movement. Should I leave them in the bator longer or move them to the hatcher with that big of clear spot at the bottom? I think it's a complete loss but I don't wanna give up in case some are still capable of surviving.

Are these upright in a turner?? The clear spot is where the CAM didn't finish enclosing the embryo... you know the network of veins across the membrane when you open the air cell? That network should fully encase the embryo inside the egg... I had many that had clear spots if I used a regular auto turner, but once I laid mine down and turned them they did much, much better...

 

[Laurel Meadows]

Awww that's sad. I'm sorry. I'm sure you have pics?
Here was my pretty girl. I hope those people still have her.

What a cute little gal

Day 20.  No pips, no moving eggs, no nuffin'!  But hope springs eternal.  They may have not been warm enough at some point in the incubation and will be late hatching. Plus they had a really rough start.  And 21 days isn't carved in stone anywhere either, so all 8 will stay right where they are until they are either hatched or......or.....well, I dunno the "or" yet...

Fingers crossed for you! let's hope they're just resting up getting ready to make their appearance soon!

So glad to have found this thread. Some of you already know me and have helped me assist. I thank you all! I have a LG9300 and a Genesis Hovabator. The Genesis is new and I've only used it once and it was with my first batch of shipped Muscovy eggs that did not go so well. It was a dry incubation and then when it got down to hatching, I couldn't keep the humidity up. There were multiple DIS. I gave internal pips close to 48 hours at the start and found that too late. The only two that didn't die were two I jumped in to help at 24 hrs post internal pip. I put the bators away after that catastrophe. I got the 9300 out last week and have 7 eggs on day 6 now and I'm so glad to subscribe to this thread.  I'm going to try to catch up on all of the posts now lol.  Just wanted to write a quick hello

Hopefully you can get the humidity where you want it this time!

Just got home to find the clocks blinking... No idea how long power was out, this time... Pulled and cracked one dud. Looks like it died a day ago. All the rest look great. Lots of movement and many that are shadowing, A LOT!!! I'm not going to turn them anymore. Only 5 days left....!!!!

Glad to hear most are looking good!! :yiipchick Hopefully no more power outages

 

[Laurel Meadows]

Good morning, everyone! Well I was hoping to have a better update today, but I think I have another group of clears and quitters here on day 7

Last month I bought some shipped bantam Cochins from someone I had good results from before. But the eggs had a very rough trip. 6/12 totally detached rolling air cells, the remaining 6 were loose and wobbly. I did everything I could but none developed. The breeder sent me a replacement dozen for just the price of shipping which was great, and I had higher hopes since only 2 had detached air cells and I tossed 2 that were badly cracked and seeping. These eggs were very well packed too! Well I have one with a blood ring and looks to be nothing going on in the others. These eggs are very porous and I've tried to run 45-50% humidity but the air cells are huge like day 14 eggs. As soon as I finish getting the kids ready for the day I'll post some pics.

 

[BigWeenMachine]

Are these upright in a turner?? The clear spot is where the CAM didn't finish enclosing the embryo... you know the network of veins across the membrane when you open the air cell? That network should fully encase the embryo inside the egg... I had many that had clear spots if I used a regular auto turner, but once I laid mine down and turned them they did much, much better...

They have been upright in a turner all along. So will they still hatch with that much of a clear spot in them? They are now 26 days along. No pips yet. There was a period of 3 days when I first put them in that the temp was only 96.7 degrees cos of a faulty thermometer so I wonder if they are just behind too. Should I go ahead and put them into the hatcher and see what happens???

 

[BigWeenMachine]

Well, I went ahead and stuck them into the hatcher. I have one that I left in the incubator though cos the air sac was pretty small which is prob a good indication it quit. Anyways, I did find movement today in 7 of them. Turns out there 4 that I feel a lil more confident in because they filled out more (I'm givin them a 50/50 chance) but the other 5 I highly doubt will have a chance since the air sacs are so big and there is so much black inside of them. Hope we get some to hatch....

 

[WVduckchick]

I was going to say I'd go ahead to the hatcher too. Good luck with them. They may surprise you. I've had plenty that I doubted that made it!

Just keep a nose to that bator with those dark ones. Are they by chance going to be black lings? I could tell which of my chicks were going to be black because they were sooo much darker thru the shell.

 

[BigWeenMachine]

I was going to say I'd go ahead to the hatcher too. Good luck with them. They may surprise you. I've had plenty that I doubted that made it!

Just keep a nose to that bator with those dark ones. Are they by chance going to be black lings? I could tell which of my chicks were going to be black because they were sooo much darker thru the shell.

They are anconas so they should be a mix of white and one of the following colors: Blue, Black, Chocolate, lavender, lilac, silver and tri-color. Most should have more white on them than the other color but I did see quite a few from the breeding stock that had a lot more of the darker colors on them. Guess we will find out. Hopefully I can find some pips soon. No internal pips yet either.

 

[BigWeenMachine]

However, all the runners that look really dark inside are chocolate and blue so that could explain why those ones all look so bad. Those look a lot darker than the anconas so maybe some of them will be fine....

 

[WVduckchick]

They are anconas so they should be a mix of white and one of the following colors:  Blue, Black, Chocolate, lavender, lilac, silver and tri-color.  Most should have more white on them than the other color but I did see quite a few from the breeding stock that had a lot more of the darker colors on them.  Guess we will find out.  Hopefully I can find some pips soon.  No internal pips yet either.