Hands on hatching and help

[jenniferlamar70]

No problem! Dont forget to breathe

wise words lol

 

[AmyLynn2374]

I have a call duck zipping! I've never seen one zip before (I've had to assist) and I can't take my face away from the incubator but I really want to go to sleep! Lol.
X2!!
Enjoy it while you can. That's my philosophy. I was a bad teenager, so I know there comes a point where they won't want to sleep with you anymore and then there's no going back! Snuggle it up while you can!
That's fine. See what happens. I don't think the girls are laying super well this year but I can get some when they do. I think there is pics on my BYC page. From the computer, can't you see pics that the user posted? I can find the pics of the parents, if not.

I definitely am of the mindsight of enjoying it while I can, cause I know too soon, it'll be gone...lol

Ugh so I helped hatch 3 of 4 birds at my hatch a week or so ago.

1 golden died Monday and 1 has a crippled foot. Not sure bout 3rd yet. Have not looked super close.

Is this why people who are hands of choose tone hands off? Or do some helps work out fine?

I ask because we want to breed these chicks not have for pets.

Thanks and good morning.

Since the whys have been answered well, I'dd address the do some helps work out. In my experience I have only ever had one assist NOT grow into a healthy adult and that one perished 9 days after to what I believe was digestive issues. A lot of their chances depends on why they need an assist. Malpostioned ones, stuck in the shell due to membrane/shell quality/dryness (in on time hatchers) usually go on to be just fine provided the assist waas done at the right time and correctly. A chick that needs assistance that has a deformation will usually result in a cull. A chick that is days over due and weak that is assisted has a much lower chance of being a successful attempt. With all that being said, I will always try because you never know.

How long since the first pip?

Personally, I think it looks fine. I wouldn't touch it yet. But I'm not there, so you have to gage it.

As far as the direction, I've had them do that with no problem, it could just be getting in better position to rotate. But if they start actively zipping in a non-circular pattern, then I've seen those be a problem. Seems like the head wasn't under the wing correctly, so it didn't rotate properly.

xs 2- with the pics, I would say looks fine as well.

So I'm not sure exactly when it pipped because the initial was so tiny but I noticed it yesterday right after the last chick hatched. Around 3pm I think. With my other hatch none of them zipped this way. They all went to the side. If it's malpositioned and I wait the full 24 hours can it live that long that way?

If I have a zipper zipping up and down instead of around I assist. This doesn't mean that it wouldn't or couldn't have finished on it's own, I just am unwilling to take that chance.

Ok so I decided to take a look and just go from there. I only pulled a small bit of egg shell off where it had already started to zip/pip. I wet the membranes to make it clear but couldn't find the beak. The veins looked like fine hair. I put the egg on a wet paper towel and put it back in the incubator. I raised the humidity to about 78. Hopefully I made the right decision but I don't know. I could hear it pecking and chirping very quietly. I thought that was odd because with the others that hatched I could hear it quite clearly through the shell. With this one I could only hear it when I put it up to my ear..

Again, being who I am, I would have made sure there was a breathing hole in the membrane.

No problem! Dont forget to breathe

xs 2

 

[jenniferlamar70]

I definitely am of the mindsight of enjoying it while I can, cause I know too soon, it'll be gone...lol

Since the whys have been answered well, I'dd address the do some helps work out. In my experience I have only ever had one assist NOT grow into a healthy adult and that one perished 9 days after to what I believe was digestive issues.  A lot of their chances depends on why they need an assist. Malpostioned ones, stuck in the shell due to membrane/shell quality/dryness (in on time hatchers) usually go on to be just fine provided the assist waas done at the right time and correctly.  A chick that needs assistance that has a deformation will usually result in a cull. A chick that is days over due and weak that is assisted has a much lower chance of being a successful attempt.  With all that being said, I will always try because you never know.

xs 2- with the pics, I would say looks fine as well.

If I have a zipper zipping up and down instead of around I assist. This doesn't mean that it wouldn't or couldn't have finished on it's own, I just am unwilling to take that chance.

Again, being who I am, I would have made sure there was a breathing hole in the membrane.

xs 2

I wanted to make a hole but I'm new to this and was unsure how to tell if the veins were ok or not? It's almost 1pm now and the chick still has made no progress..I think I'm going to need to wet the membrane. Should I make a tiny hole?

 

[audy5000g]

Sorry audy. Dang that's no fun.
If I where buying eggs or chick from you I would preferre they not be ones that are showing crippeling side effects or gene issues. Hope that's not too harsh ?

sorry birds are enough work as is ,if they are ones I hatch I don't mind nursing them but ugh really difficult when they arrive wonky(it's not that your to BLAME at all) just some places don't respect a code of standard in selling chicks or etc they just continue to pass on grief. Do u have any pics of what's going on with the little guys?

Well of course. That's what I am saying. I don't want to sell bad quality. I got the eggs on here actually and I don't think who sold them to me has issues. I think it was because of several variables.

Electricity was out one day for up to 5 hrs while we were at soccer.

They would pip but not zip at all. So after over 24 hrs I helped. One zipped but say in egg for over 24 hrs.

I was just wondering if when you help hatch does it always end bad?

 

[audy5000g]

Banti those little guys are almost too cute&fluffy to be true! Terrific pictures.

Good grief. How cute are these.

 

[audy5000g]

Since the whys have been answered well, I'dd address the do some helps work out. In my experience I have only ever had one assist NOT grow into a healthy adult and that one perished 9 days after to what I believe was digestive issues.  A lot of their chances depends on why they need an assist. Malpostioned ones, stuck in the shell due to membrane/shell quality/dryness (in on time hatchers) usually go on to be just fine provided the assist waas done at the right time and correctly.  A chick that needs assistance that has a deformation will usually result in a cull. A chick that is days over due and weak that is assisted has a much lower chance of being a successful attempt.  With all that being said, I will always try because you never know.

that makes total sense to me. Thank you

 

[AmyLynn2374]

I wanted to make a hole but I'm new to this and was unsure how to tell if the veins were ok or not? It's almost 1pm now and the chick still has made no progress..I think I'm going to need to wet the membrane. Should I make a tiny hole?

The outside membrane, which is what you see under the shell at time of pic, doesn't have the veins. The inside membrane is where you want to watach for veins. In a pipper that has been pipped for hours, I will at least make sure the membrane is at least slit for air. In a malpo it's the first thing I do because they don't have the air cell to breath from. I'm sure an amount of air can and does pass through the membrane, but it makes me uncomfortable it it's not pierced. It depends on your comfort level.

 

[audy5000g]

The toe issues usually come from low incubating temps (delayed hatching), or too high humidity.

yes I figured it was caused by the hatcher not your eggs. I'm determined to get this right so I can teach my son. He has hopes of breeding next year so I have to get this down.

I'll go out and take pictures of our first hatch and then our 2nd. Be back soon.

 

[WVduckchick]

yes I figured it was caused by the hatcher not your eggs. I'm determined to get this right so I can teach my son. He has hopes of breeding next year so I have to get this down.

I'll go out and take pictures of our first hatch and then our 2nd. Be back soon.

Not necessarily the hatchers fault either. Remember, these are shipped eggs. We have no idea how many times the post office flipped them, played soccer with the box, or anything. Or the temps they kept it at. Too many variables.
Yes, we can rule out some, and guess at others, but keep trying, and you'll get a good batch!

 

[audy5000g]

1st hatch. Lots of different kinds.