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JackieC

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Hi all.

I relocated to France 6 months ago and while it had always been our (hubby and mine) intention to get some chickens and ducks, we wanted to wait until we had settled and got our new gites business off the ground. Well, the best laid plans and all that - things didn't quite turn out as planned. A neighbour relocated and I noticed he was not returning to feed or water his various animals. I began visiting his property daily and eventually left him a note asking, diplomatically, if I could buy his animals. He had a think and agreed I could - and this is how, on 6th March 2014, I became "mother" to 2 (what I have been told are) Plymouth Rock chicken, 6 black sex and 1 red sex chickens, 1 drake and 2 ducks, 2 (female) geese and 3 (female) pygmy goats. Only 2-3 weeks later, I discovered that the "neighbour" had obtained over 20 "chickens" and an unknown number of ducks and ducklings. Despite assurances he would seek new homes, he also had 20 or so (?) collared doves kept in a parrot-type cage, one rabbit, one (?) dove and one Bantam cock. It quickly became apparent that the neighbour was again neglecting his animals and I (and a few other neighbours) regularly attended to feed the chickens but the gates to his property were locked and his garden surrounded by a wall over 6' tall. Several of the chickens were so thin that they managed to get through the bars on his gate and I actually had to rescue three chickens from feral cats. It was agreed among the neighbours that such chickens which "escaped" would be cared for and retained by the finder, and only returned to the neighbour if he returned with a gendarme and an animal health worker. The chickens were in a dreadful state - nothing more than feathers and bones. I realised I was no longer able to hear the ducks & ducklings which had been locked in some old hutches and decided to risk prosecution for trespass, and climbed over the wall (and being an overweight 55 year old woman, this was no mean feat!). I was sickened and heartbroken to discover that all the ducks and ducklings were dead in their hutches - and some had been dead for some time. All of the collared doves were dead and heaped in the bottom of their cage. I took photographs as evidence and went, together with a French neighbour to make a formal complaint to the Mayor. I have also publicised this atrocity on Facebook, to a local newspaper, to the French version of the RSPCA and the Department of Health and Animal Welfare. Nothing has happened except such chickens as had not escaped were removed, presumably by the former neighbour, and we don't know what happened to them. I subsequently discovered that this person had allowed over 20 chickens plus a mother pygmy goat and her young kid to starve to death between Easter and Christmas 2013.

This is the background to my current situation. In addition to my initial "family", I took on board another 8 "refugees" - 6 Plymouth Rock and 2 Black Sex, as well as the rabbit, the Bantam cockerel and the (?) dove.

I have only been caring for the new additions for a month or so and my initial understanding that the only cockerel/cock (I don't know the age of the bird) I had was the attractive but aloof Bantam. Initially the Bantam (named Gordon) didn't make a sound although he had been noisy during the 6 months plus period of imprisonment in the small hutch on my neighbour's property. After a week or so, he began to make a sorry sounding croak but has developed a hearty crow which he demonstrates during daylight hours! This morning, to my horror, I realised that I was hearing at least another two "crows" in addition to Gordon's. I cannot be certain, but after looking closely at the birds, there may be two or three cockerels masquerading as chickens! All three are birds which I was told are Plymouth Rock. I obtained some chicken books but they are basic and do not give specific breed information. The suspect birds seem to have a longer neck than the others, and have very yellow legs. Other than these "traits", I don't know what would differentiate male from female.

I have been told that I have sufficient female birds that keeping as many as 4 cock(erel)s will not be a problem, however another friend said I would have to cull the additional males (which I will not do). All are getting on well with one another and the suspect cockerels are giving Gordon a wide berth (as are some of the chickens).

Can anyone please help me to ascertain the sex of the (?) males and advise on how to keep them (will they need separate housing, for example?). All of the "chickens" sleep together at night in two separate purpose built chicken coops, save that the Bantam sleeps in the branches of our large cherry tree.

No-one seems to know what sort of bird the (?) dove actually is. It has the look of a dove, has long wings and tail, is mainly white but does have a small number of "red" markings. The band over the nose is a milky colour.He/she has very red feet however they were in a dreadful state initially as the bird had been walking in its own filth for over six months, and the skin was flaking off and the nails over-long. He/she was terrified initially but is gradually settling in. Can anyone point me in the right direction to find out what type of bird this is, please?

Sorry to have taken up so much space and time, but I preferred that everyone had background information as I am sure there will be some people who feel it was inappropriate of me to take on these animals whilst not having any experience of looking after them. With appropriate care, food, housing etc. I am happy to say that all the animals are doing very well, gaining weight and showing improvement in all avenues.

JackieC
 
Welcome to BYC, Jackie! You have given us a lot to absorb in one post, but I'll try to answer your questions.

As far as the cockerels being a problem, the usual rule of thumb is 1 cockerel for every 10 hens, so if you have at least 40 hens, 4 cockerels should be fine in sharing their housing. Just make sure you have adequate room for that many chickens. You should have at minimum of 4 sq. ft. of coop floor space per chicken, and 10 sq. ft. of run space per chicken, but more is better. When chickens become to crowded, they eventually become aggressive which can lead to feather plucking and even cannibalism.

If you would like to know the breed and sex of specific chickens, you should post pictures of them on BYC's Chicken Breeds: What Breed or Gender is This? section on the forum. Be sure to take a whole body profile shot, including the legs and tail. For birds, other than chickens (such as your dove), post the pictures on Other BackYard Poultry under the specific type of poultry (Pigeons and Doves, Ducks, Geese, Turkeys, etc.).

I also recommend spending time in BYC's Learning Center as you will find lots of valuable information there. Hope this helps. Good luck with your flock.
 
Welcome to BYC!! Please make yourself at home and we are here to help.

Wow! Great into!

X2 on what Michael Oshay said. Only I think you should give them 3-5 sq. feet per bird in the coop and at least 8 sq. feet per bird in the run. And try and keep one roo for every 1-10 hens you own so that the hens don't get to much attention and so that there aren't fights.

Here's a link to the breed and gender section. https://www.backyardchickens.com/f/15/what-breed-or-gender-is-this

You should also check out our learning center where you'll find lots of helpful info.

Again, welcome!!

https://www.backyardchickens.com/atype/1/Learning_Center
 
You are my hero
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. I couldn't make it over a fence unless I was shot out of a canon . Don't know how I could get back out tho.

You certainly took on a lot of responsibilities above and beyond the call to duty. That neighbor was horrible. Unfortunately, we have a lot of those in this country - the pitiful conditions and horrific deaths are too graphic to mention. It seems most neighbors don't want to tell authorities until the carnage has been going on for years.

Welcome to BYC, it's a honor to have you join us.
 
Lots been happening and not all good, sad to say. I discovered that my former neighbour had been "at it" again and had obtained 15 more chickens which he housed in two hutches - 8 larger chickens in one and 7 smaller in another. I also discovered one chicken stuffed in a separate hutch, very close to death. I took her home and I had to bathe her 5 times to remove the worst of the encrusted excrement from her feathers. I was amazed she stayed alive throughout the process. Initially, I thought her emaciated state was the reason she was unable to stand and I nursed her diligently, taking her to see my vet when a friend (and fellow chicken keeper) on Facebook suggested that she could have Marek's disease. My vet just gave me vitamin drops to add to drinking water and said it wasn't Marek's. I was devastated when, on 24th July, I found that she had died in her sleep. I don't know if it was Marek's or just that her poor body could not come "back" from the brink. I really thought she would make it though, as I managed to put 3oz in weight on her in a week. She weighed 1lb 13oz when I found her. I know now that I have 3 Plymouth Rock cocks plus my original Bantam cock. There has been a little pushing and shoving between the males, but nothing nasty or particilarly aggressive. One of the second batch of "chickens" which underwent a sex change has a poorly leg. A neighbour whose advice I sought said it was nothing to worry over but his limp grew worse so I took him to my vet. It seemed to me that his hock (right leg) was dislocated however the vet said it was an infection (no cuts or abrasions though) and prescribed antibiotics. One good bit of news...my forrmer neighbour was compelled to remove his chickens. I've not found where they went, but I will continue to investigate until I am satisfied that they will be cared for appropriately.
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I've become friends on FB with someone who has 20yrs experience in chicken keeping and I asked her advice about my cockerel with a poorly leg. She suspects he has Mycoplasma and is not hopeful for his recovery. My chickens are pets. The fact that they lay eggs keeps hubby happy as the pennies selling their eggs raises keeps them in food (or so he thinks lol). I won't kill or have euthanized any animal unless it is in pain and cannot be helped, and such procedures will have to be undertaken by a qualified vet and their body will be buried with my other pets. The friend says the treatment for Mycoplasma is TYLAN 200 injected directly into the affected joint. She says its very painful treatment. Can anyone offer any advice, please?
 
I've just done some research and I'm wondering if my cockerel has tibial dyschondroplasia. He had none of the other symptoms associated with Mycoplasma suggested ad the cause by my friend, whereas he was severely malnourished before I took him. I read that calcium & vitamin D deficiencies were recognised contributors to TD and this bird and the other "refugees" were not being given any cereal type of feed, just left to "graze" in a garden and were very rarely treated to stale bread. I never saw any fresh water being given. All of the rescued birds were given small amounts of food several timed a day initially to acclimatise them gradually to "proper" food and they all had "growth spurts", the cockerels in particular. Could this bird specifically have simply outgrown the intake of vitamins and minerals? Also, given that he is still relatively young (his fellow refugees have only in the past 1-2 weeks started to lay small eggs), if given calcium and vitamin D Supplements in particular, will he recover?
 

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